What's happening in your world?

GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Tue, Oct 16, 2007 1:16 PM

Hey, guys!

I've been preoccupied with magazine business for the past nine months
but I'm now starting to resurface, aiming to boost traffic on our
List and get that darn ite up and running at last.

I'm located on Lake Ontario. Admiral and I have plans to focus on
inland and coastal cruising over the coming years, thus, we've
purchased a trailerable power catamaran, a previously owned TomCat 24:

http://www.c-dory.com/TomCat%2024.htm

Before the snow flies, we hope to explore the western end of Lake
Ontario. Next year, we plan to head east to Thousand Islands, the
Rideau and the Trent-Severn.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com

Hey, guys! I've been preoccupied with magazine business for the past nine months but I'm now starting to resurface, aiming to boost traffic on our List and get that darn ite up and running at last. I'm located on Lake Ontario. Admiral and I have plans to focus on inland and coastal cruising over the coming years, thus, we've purchased a trailerable power catamaran, a previously owned TomCat 24: http://www.c-dory.com/TomCat%2024.htm Before the snow flies, we hope to explore the western end of Lake Ontario. Next year, we plan to head east to Thousand Islands, the Rideau and the Trent-Severn. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com
RD
Robert Deering
Mon, Oct 22, 2007 4:38 AM

Hi Georgs,

Most of this summer was boatless for us since we sold our 26 ft aluminum
Armstrong powercat in June.  My first boatless summer in SE Alaska in 13
years.  Traumatic.  But it has allowed me to focus on completing the
languishing house remodel before next spring when I take possession of my
new under-construction Maxweld aluminum powercat.
http://www.maxweldboats.com/

The hull of the new boat is nearly complete.  Cabin construction will start
in a few weeks.  She will be Maxweld's show boat in the Seattle Boat Show in
February after which I take possession of her.  I plan to run her home up
the Inside Passage in the spring.  BTW - I'm looking for a slip for her in
the Seattle area from about 1 Feb until 1 May if any Puget Sounders have any
suggestions.

We owned our Armstrong for nine years and it was a fantastic boat - fast,
industrial tough, stable, and very versatile.  It followed the old boat
maxim of drinking six, eating four, and sleeping two, and that worked well.
When we had friends/family with us they camped on the beach.

But time moves on.  Family is getting older and camping on the beach has
become less tenable (father-in-law is 80 now...).  And finding a good
anchorage that also provides good (bear-free) camping eliminates a lot of
great anchorages.  Schlepping camping gear to and from the beach gets old.
We wanted a much larger aft deck for fishing/king crabbing/shrimping (this
is Alaska after all).  We also wanted a larger, more comfortable boat for
rough water conditions.  We wanted more range.  We wanted a head (purposely
eliminated on the Armstrong) and we wanted to sleep more people.  We still
have to be at work most Monday mornings, so trawler speeds weren't going to
cut it.  Eventually this boat is expected to be a summer coastal cruising
boat from the Aleutians to Baja.  There are several Maxwelds up here, and
they are rugged, proven Alaska boats.

I looked at several other cats.  The new MaineCat looks intriguing, but I
don't want to be a test case for the new hull, and getting it from Maine to
AK was going to be expensive.  Plus, customization options were limited with
it being in composite.  Many of the other cruising cats on the market are
not designed with fishing in mind (this is Alaska after all...).  We
explored some very interesting custom design/build possibilities, and some
promising partnerships, but ultimately opted for the simplicity of a proven
Alaskan design that we own independently.  And we like the low (no)
maintenance, bombproof nature of unpainted welded aluminum.

Here are the specs:

LOA: 41 ft (officially a 35' hull minus the swimstep/pulpit)
Beam: 14 ft
Pilothouse w/ second aft steering station in cockpit
Power: Volvo-Penta D-6 350 hp outdrives (I was very leery of going with
outdrives, but talked to a lot of marine mechanics who contended that the
new generation of Volvo outdrives have had a good reliability record so far.
Fuel economy is outstanding, I'll get the same economy as my much, much
smaller 26 ft Armstrong with 4-stroke outboards.  The ability to trim the
drive on a cat is valuable since cats are subject to fore-aft trim
challenges.  Maybe I'm making a mistake - we'll see.)
Cruise speed: 20-30 kts
Top speed: ~40+ kts (who gives a rat's patootie?)
Fuel consumption at 25 kts: ~1.6 mpg
Fuel capacity: 400 gallons (200 each)
Water: 200 gallons
Generator: Not installed, but pre-configured for future installation.  For
now I'll use my 2 KW Honda inverter gas genset via the shore-tie plug.
Light, quiet, and I already own it.
Heat: Hurricane
Head: Lavac (single head w/ separate shower)
Hydraulic anchor windlass (spool type), pot puller and davit.
Sleeps: one athwartships queen, three single bunks, dinette makes a double -
for a total of seven.
Galley: 3-burner propane, oven, counter-height fridge, 7 cu ft domestic
freezer (for seafood storage), Corian counters & dinette.
Laundry: Preconfigured for future Splendide all-in-one unit.
Interior:  Hybrid between commercial and yacht.  Probably leaning towards
commercial.  Still working out the details.  I'll customize further when it
comes home.
Unsinkable (well, you'd have to try really, really hard)

One of the advantages of building in aluminum is that you have wide latitude
in the configuration.  The builder is not locked into a fixed hull mold.
For instance, we're installing 'delta pads' on the hulls, which are flat
plates faired onto the bottom of the aft section of the hulls which provide
more planing lift at slow speeds.  This should allow me to plane efficiently
at slower speeds, which is a challenge in most planing cats with their
smaller (than monohull planing boats) hull-bottom surface area.  Cruising at
30 kts isn't always the most relaxing.

Another hull customization are the keel fins in front of the outdrives.
These fins are heavy-duty 1/2" aluminum plate designed to protect the
outdrives from damage by the numerous floating logs up here.

My favorite customization is the transom.  Maxweld's normal transom includes
an access door to the swim step.  I've spec'd out double transom doors
which, when opened create a six ft opening in the middle of the transom.
The swim step will have a recessed trailer roller on its aft edge which will
allow me to drag a 14-16 ft skiff over the swim step into the cockpit.  This
will be a great way to quickly bring a large tender aboard for runs in
protected waters, and quickly launch it again w/o towing.  Obviously when
going into big water I'll choose to secure it on the roof, but many of my
runs are relatively short in inside waters.  Having a substantial, capable
tender up here is a real luxury.

Cost for this boat, fully configured with electronics, tender, etc will be
about $375K.  I'm no millionaire, but this is within my reach with some
careful budgeting and financing.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs
Kolesnikovs
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:16 AM
To: Power Catamaran List
Subject: [PCW] What's happening in your world?

Hey, guys!

I've been preoccupied with magazine business for the past nine months
but I'm now starting to resurface, aiming to boost traffic on our
List and get that darn ite up and running at last.

I'm located on Lake Ontario. Admiral and I have plans to focus on
inland and coastal cruising over the coming years, thus, we've
purchased a trailerable power catamaran, a previously owned TomCat 24:

http://www.c-dory.com/TomCat%2024.htm

Before the snow flies, we hope to explore the western end of Lake
Ontario. Next year, we plan to head east to Thousand Islands, the
Rideau and the Trent-Severn.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Hi Georgs, Most of this summer was boatless for us since we sold our 26 ft aluminum Armstrong powercat in June. My first boatless summer in SE Alaska in 13 years. Traumatic. But it has allowed me to focus on completing the languishing house remodel before next spring when I take possession of my new under-construction Maxweld aluminum powercat. http://www.maxweldboats.com/ The hull of the new boat is nearly complete. Cabin construction will start in a few weeks. She will be Maxweld's show boat in the Seattle Boat Show in February after which I take possession of her. I plan to run her home up the Inside Passage in the spring. BTW - I'm looking for a slip for her in the Seattle area from about 1 Feb until 1 May if any Puget Sounders have any suggestions. We owned our Armstrong for nine years and it was a fantastic boat - fast, industrial tough, stable, and very versatile. It followed the old boat maxim of drinking six, eating four, and sleeping two, and that worked well. When we had friends/family with us they camped on the beach. But time moves on. Family is getting older and camping on the beach has become less tenable (father-in-law is 80 now...). And finding a good anchorage that also provides good (bear-free) camping eliminates a lot of great anchorages. Schlepping camping gear to and from the beach gets old. We wanted a much larger aft deck for fishing/king crabbing/shrimping (this is Alaska after all). We also wanted a larger, more comfortable boat for rough water conditions. We wanted more range. We wanted a head (purposely eliminated on the Armstrong) and we wanted to sleep more people. We still have to be at work most Monday mornings, so trawler speeds weren't going to cut it. Eventually this boat is expected to be a summer coastal cruising boat from the Aleutians to Baja. There are several Maxwelds up here, and they are rugged, proven Alaska boats. I looked at several other cats. The new MaineCat looks intriguing, but I don't want to be a test case for the new hull, and getting it from Maine to AK was going to be expensive. Plus, customization options were limited with it being in composite. Many of the other cruising cats on the market are not designed with fishing in mind (this is Alaska after all...). We explored some very interesting custom design/build possibilities, and some promising partnerships, but ultimately opted for the simplicity of a proven Alaskan design that we own independently. And we like the low (no) maintenance, bombproof nature of unpainted welded aluminum. Here are the specs: LOA: 41 ft (officially a 35' hull minus the swimstep/pulpit) Beam: 14 ft Pilothouse w/ second aft steering station in cockpit Power: Volvo-Penta D-6 350 hp outdrives (I was very leery of going with outdrives, but talked to a lot of marine mechanics who contended that the new generation of Volvo outdrives have had a good reliability record so far. Fuel economy is outstanding, I'll get the same economy as my much, much smaller 26 ft Armstrong with 4-stroke outboards. The ability to trim the drive on a cat is valuable since cats are subject to fore-aft trim challenges. Maybe I'm making a mistake - we'll see.) Cruise speed: 20-30 kts Top speed: ~40+ kts (who gives a rat's patootie?) Fuel consumption at 25 kts: ~1.6 mpg Fuel capacity: 400 gallons (200 each) Water: 200 gallons Generator: Not installed, but pre-configured for future installation. For now I'll use my 2 KW Honda inverter gas genset via the shore-tie plug. Light, quiet, and I already own it. Heat: Hurricane Head: Lavac (single head w/ separate shower) Hydraulic anchor windlass (spool type), pot puller and davit. Sleeps: one athwartships queen, three single bunks, dinette makes a double - for a total of seven. Galley: 3-burner propane, oven, counter-height fridge, 7 cu ft domestic freezer (for seafood storage), Corian counters & dinette. Laundry: Preconfigured for future Splendide all-in-one unit. Interior: Hybrid between commercial and yacht. Probably leaning towards commercial. Still working out the details. I'll customize further when it comes home. Unsinkable (well, you'd have to try really, really hard) One of the advantages of building in aluminum is that you have wide latitude in the configuration. The builder is not locked into a fixed hull mold. For instance, we're installing 'delta pads' on the hulls, which are flat plates faired onto the bottom of the aft section of the hulls which provide more planing lift at slow speeds. This should allow me to plane efficiently at slower speeds, which is a challenge in most planing cats with their smaller (than monohull planing boats) hull-bottom surface area. Cruising at 30 kts isn't always the most relaxing. Another hull customization are the keel fins in front of the outdrives. These fins are heavy-duty 1/2" aluminum plate designed to protect the outdrives from damage by the numerous floating logs up here. My favorite customization is the transom. Maxweld's normal transom includes an access door to the swim step. I've spec'd out double transom doors which, when opened create a six ft opening in the middle of the transom. The swim step will have a recessed trailer roller on its aft edge which will allow me to drag a 14-16 ft skiff over the swim step into the cockpit. This will be a great way to quickly bring a large tender aboard for runs in protected waters, and quickly launch it again w/o towing. Obviously when going into big water I'll choose to secure it on the roof, but many of my runs are relatively short in inside waters. Having a substantial, capable tender up here is a real luxury. Cost for this boat, fully configured with electronics, tender, etc will be about $375K. I'm no millionaire, but this is within my reach with some careful budgeting and financing. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs Kolesnikovs Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:16 AM To: Power Catamaran List Subject: [PCW] What's happening in your world? Hey, guys! I've been preoccupied with magazine business for the past nine months but I'm now starting to resurface, aiming to boost traffic on our List and get that darn ite up and running at last. I'm located on Lake Ontario. Admiral and I have plans to focus on inland and coastal cruising over the coming years, thus, we've purchased a trailerable power catamaran, a previously owned TomCat 24: http://www.c-dory.com/TomCat%2024.htm Before the snow flies, we hope to explore the western end of Lake Ontario. Next year, we plan to head east to Thousand Islands, the Rideau and the Trent-Severn. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Mon, Oct 22, 2007 12:06 PM

Bob Deering wrote:

new under-construction 41-foot Maxweld aluminum powercat.
http://www.maxweldboats.com/

Cost for this boat, fully configured with electronics, tender, etc will be
about $375K.

Sounds like you're going to get yourself a really rugged boat for
cruising and fishing in Alaska at an excellent price, Bob.

For comparison, the new PDQ 41 costs maybe $700,000 well equipped.

--Georgs

PS To continue the guesstimate apptroach to costing: The PDQ works
out to about $25 per pound. I'm guessing at the Maxweld's
displacement, but you'll like be paying $12 to $14 per pound, right?

Bob Deering wrote: >new under-construction 41-foot Maxweld aluminum powercat. >http://www.maxweldboats.com/ > >Cost for this boat, fully configured with electronics, tender, etc will be >about $375K. Sounds like you're going to get yourself a really rugged boat for cruising and fishing in Alaska at an excellent price, Bob. For comparison, the new PDQ 41 costs maybe $700,000 well equipped. --Georgs PS To continue the guesstimate apptroach to costing: The PDQ works out to about $25 per pound. I'm guessing at the Maxweld's displacement, but you'll like be paying $12 to $14 per pound, right?
DC
D C *Mac* Macdonald
Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:12 AM

I wonder what one of those in the 30-35 foot range might go for. ** D C "Mac"
Macdonald ** * m/v Another Adventure * ** '95 Carver 355 ACMY ** * Grand Lake

  • OKlahoma * ** USPS & AGLCA (#217) ** > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:38:26
    -0800> From: deering@ak.net> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject:
    Re: [PCW] What's happening in your world?>> Hi Georgs,>> Most of this summer
    was boatless for us since we sold our 26 ft aluminum > Armstrong powercat in
    June. My first boatless summer in SE Alaska in 13 > years. Traumatic. But it
    has allowed me to focus on completing the > languishing house remodel before
    next spring when I take possession of my > new under-construction Maxweld
    aluminum powercat. > http://www.maxweldboats.com/> > Cost for this boat, fully
    configured with electronics, tender, etc will be> about $375K. I'm no
    millionaire, but this is within my reach with some> careful budgeting and
    financing.>> Bob Deering> Juneau, Alaska
I wonder what one of those in the 30-35 foot range might go for. ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** * m/v Another Adventure * ** '95 Carver 355 ACMY ** * Grand Lake - OKlahoma * ** USPS & AGLCA (#217) ** > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:38:26 -0800> From: deering@ak.net> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PCW] What's happening in your world?>> Hi Georgs,>> Most of this summer was boatless for us since we sold our 26 ft aluminum > Armstrong powercat in June. My first boatless summer in SE Alaska in 13 > years. Traumatic. But it has allowed me to focus on completing the > languishing house remodel before next spring when I take possession of my > new under-construction Maxweld aluminum powercat. > http://www.maxweldboats.com/> > Cost for this boat, fully configured with electronics, tender, etc will be> about $375K. I'm no millionaire, but this is within my reach with some> careful budgeting and financing.>> Bob Deering> Juneau, Alaska
RD
Robert Deering
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:53 AM

"To continue the guesstimate approach to costing: The PDQ works
out to about $25 per pound. I'm guessing at the Maxweld's
displacement, but you'll like be paying $12 to $14 per pound, right?"

Georgs, my boat's estimated dry weight (per the builder) will be about
17,500 lbs.  The cost of the boat, not including added goodies like
electronics and tenders, will be around $350,000.  That yields $20 per
pound.

But I really question the value of that estimating method.  A well designed,
and well built catamaran is light weight (within reason).  It costs more to
build a strong, light boat - more expensive materials, more careful and
advanced construction methods.

So if my boat was costing $10 per pound what would that tell you?  Maybe
that I was getting a great deal and a whole lot of boat for my money.  Or
maybe that it was being built out of lead.  And if the boat cost $50 per
pound you might conclude that it was built out of titanium and carbon fiber
or that it was upholstered in black rhino hide... or that I was being robbed
blind.

It's a meaningless number without a whole lot of add'l information.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

"To continue the guesstimate approach to costing: The PDQ works out to about $25 per pound. I'm guessing at the Maxweld's displacement, but you'll like be paying $12 to $14 per pound, right?" Georgs, my boat's estimated dry weight (per the builder) will be about 17,500 lbs. The cost of the boat, not including added goodies like electronics and tenders, will be around $350,000. That yields $20 per pound. But I really question the value of that estimating method. A well designed, and well built catamaran is light weight (within reason). It costs more to build a strong, light boat - more expensive materials, more careful and advanced construction methods. So if my boat was costing $10 per pound what would that tell you? Maybe that I was getting a great deal and a whole lot of boat for my money. Or maybe that it was being built out of lead. And if the boat cost $50 per pound you might conclude that it was built out of titanium and carbon fiber or that it was upholstered in black rhino hide... or that I was being robbed blind. It's a meaningless number without a whole lot of add'l information. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska
MT
Malcolm Tennant
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:17 AM

Bob,

Well said. I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately people will
insist on using this simplistic idea when comparing boats.

Malcolm Tennant.

MALCOLM TENNANT MULTIHULL DESIGN LTD
PO Box 60513, Titirangi.
Waitakere 0642
NEW ZEALAND
Ph: +64 9 817 1988
e-mail: malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz
www.tennantdesign.co.nz
www.catdesigners.com

Bob, Well said. I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately people will insist on using this simplistic idea when comparing boats. Malcolm Tennant. MALCOLM TENNANT MULTIHULL DESIGN LTD PO Box 60513, Titirangi. Waitakere 0642 NEW ZEALAND Ph: +64 9 817 1988 e-mail: malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz www.tennantdesign.co.nz www.catdesigners.com
RD
Robert Deering
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 4:17 AM

"Sounds like you're going to get yourself a really rugged boat for cruising
and fishing in Alaska at an excellent price, Bob.  For comparison, the new
PDQ 41 costs maybe $700,000 well equipped."

Thanks Georgs, I think I'm getting a great boat for a fair price.  But it's
hard to compare my Maxweld at $350K with the PDQ at $700K.  Though both
catamarans are in the same general size range, they are aimed toward very
different clientele.

For starters, PDQ calls their boats 'yachts'.  I concur.  The interior
appointments are a lot more luxurious than I will have.  The cherry
wainscoting in the bedroom, teak & holly sole, nice wood cabinetry will put
my simple interior to shame.  The PDQ's are shiny white - mine is bare
aluminum.  The PDQ has two heads, mine only one.

The layouts are quite different too.  The PDQ is a larger boat - it's hull
appears to be at least 40 ft long.  Mine has a 35 ft hull with a large
swimstep.  And the beam on mine is 4 ft narrower.  My cabin is considerably
smaller, with smaller berths.  But my aft deck is much larger, and I have
commercial-grade hydraulics onboard.  I don't have a flybridge, the PDQ
does, but I have an aft steering station in the cockpit.

My boat is welded aluminum, the PDQ is a glass composite with foam sandwich
I believe.  My boat will be  much faster, and more efficient at higher
speeds, but not as efficient at slower cruising speeds.  The PDQ will
probably have a smoother ride.  It may be more stable with its added width,
though I'm expecting my boat to have outstanding stability.

So how do you compare value?  Is the PDQ worth double the cost of my boat?
For the clientele that they're targeting, the answer might very likely be
'yes'.  For me the answer is 'no'.  In fact, I would not buy the PDQ 41 for
half its price.  Not because it isn't a fine boat, but because it doesn't
meet the criteria that are important to me.

It all boils down to what makes you happy.  If you need a boat to have gold
faucets and a helicopter on the roof to be happy, knock yourself out.  Heck,
my happiest days on the water to date were spent in a beat up old Grumman
canoe on a weedy lake in Wisconsin as a kid.  If my new boat doesn't do the
trick for me, I may just go find that old canoe.

Bob Deering
Juneau Alaska

"Sounds like you're going to get yourself a really rugged boat for cruising and fishing in Alaska at an excellent price, Bob. For comparison, the new PDQ 41 costs maybe $700,000 well equipped." Thanks Georgs, I think I'm getting a great boat for a fair price. But it's hard to compare my Maxweld at $350K with the PDQ at $700K. Though both catamarans are in the same general size range, they are aimed toward very different clientele. For starters, PDQ calls their boats 'yachts'. I concur. The interior appointments are a lot more luxurious than I will have. The cherry wainscoting in the bedroom, teak & holly sole, nice wood cabinetry will put my simple interior to shame. The PDQ's are shiny white - mine is bare aluminum. The PDQ has two heads, mine only one. The layouts are quite different too. The PDQ is a larger boat - it's hull appears to be at least 40 ft long. Mine has a 35 ft hull with a large swimstep. And the beam on mine is 4 ft narrower. My cabin is considerably smaller, with smaller berths. But my aft deck is much larger, and I have commercial-grade hydraulics onboard. I don't have a flybridge, the PDQ does, but I have an aft steering station in the cockpit. My boat is welded aluminum, the PDQ is a glass composite with foam sandwich I believe. My boat will be much faster, and more efficient at higher speeds, but not as efficient at slower cruising speeds. The PDQ will probably have a smoother ride. It may be more stable with its added width, though I'm expecting my boat to have outstanding stability. So how do you compare value? Is the PDQ worth double the cost of my boat? For the clientele that they're targeting, the answer might very likely be 'yes'. For me the answer is 'no'. In fact, I would not buy the PDQ 41 for half its price. Not because it isn't a fine boat, but because it doesn't meet the criteria that are important to me. It all boils down to what makes you happy. If you need a boat to have gold faucets and a helicopter on the roof to be happy, knock yourself out. Heck, my happiest days on the water to date were spent in a beat up old Grumman canoe on a weedy lake in Wisconsin as a kid. If my new boat doesn't do the trick for me, I may just go find that old canoe. Bob Deering Juneau Alaska
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:28 PM

It's a meaningless number without a whole lot of add'l information.

All that dollars per pound of displacement provides is A GUESSTIMATE
of what the cost of a boat might be. It provides nothing more than a
ballpark idea.

It does NOT replace getting the actual price of a boat from its
manufacturer. It does NOT replace getting a genuine cost estimate
from a builder.

What I've got out of the discussion is that multiplying displacement
(in pounds) by $20 to $25 U.S. will provide me with a guesstimate of
what a given boat might cost in 2007--when the actual cost is not
immediately available.

It is simplistic, for sure, but it's better than having no idea at all.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com

>It's a meaningless number without a whole lot of add'l information. All that dollars per pound of displacement provides is A GUESSTIMATE of what the cost of a boat might be. It provides nothing more than a ballpark idea. It does NOT replace getting the actual price of a boat from its manufacturer. It does NOT replace getting a genuine cost estimate from a builder. What I've got out of the discussion is that multiplying displacement (in pounds) by $20 to $25 U.S. will provide me with a guesstimate of what a given boat might cost in 2007--when the actual cost is not immediately available. It is simplistic, for sure, but it's better than having no idea at all. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com
NR
natale ramondetti
Sun, Mar 2, 2008 9:07 AM

Hi Malcolm, I appreciate very much your regular comments about catamaran
construction. May I just put a question that is : why sail catamarans in the
35-52 " lenght are built not in marine steel ? Thanks and best regards
Natale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Tennant" malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [PCW] Maxweld 41, was What's happening in your world?

Bob,

Well said. I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately people will
insist on using this simplistic idea when comparing boats.

Malcolm Tennant.

MALCOLM TENNANT MULTIHULL DESIGN LTD
PO Box 60513, Titirangi.
Waitakere 0642
NEW ZEALAND
Ph: +64 9 817 1988
e-mail: malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz
www.tennantdesign.co.nz
www.catdesigners.com


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Hi Malcolm, I appreciate very much your regular comments about catamaran construction. May I just put a question that is : why sail catamarans in the 35-52 " lenght are built not in marine steel ? Thanks and best regards Natale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tennant" <malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz> To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [PCW] Maxweld 41, was What's happening in your world? > Bob, > > Well said. I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately people will > insist on using this simplistic idea when comparing boats. > > Malcolm Tennant. > > MALCOLM TENNANT MULTIHULL DESIGN LTD > PO Box 60513, Titirangi. > Waitakere 0642 > NEW ZEALAND > Ph: +64 9 817 1988 > e-mail: malcolm@tennantdesign.co.nz > www.tennantdesign.co.nz > www.catdesigners.com > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
M
Mark
Sat, Mar 8, 2008 11:43 PM

"Whale-Inspired Wind Turbines: Mimicking the bumps on humpback-whale fins could lead to more efficient wind turbines.

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20379/

It will interesting to see if there is any application to rudders, or maybe even slowly turning trawler props.

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"Whale-Inspired Wind Turbines: Mimicking the bumps on humpback-whale fins could lead to more efficient wind turbines. http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20379/ It will interesting to see if there is any application to rudders, or maybe even slowly turning trawler props. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping