tenders
Need some advise. Right now I'm using a 14 ft alum jonboat as a tender, but in
rough and choppy seas it comes close to swamping. I'm thinking of maybe a hard
bottom inflatable but am worried about cuts on oysters or coral. I have space
for just about anything and a crane to put it on top. Would a Boston Whaler type
fiberglass tender serve me better? I almost always anchor out and away from
other boats and would like to feel comfortable going into town without worrying
about a blow.
Take a look at a Livingston. Much lighter than a Whaler and less expensive.
The 12 is great. Many freinds have one and like them. We have a 10 and it's
great as a second dink.
Rodger
Rollsdoc
MT49PH
I'm
thinking of maybe a hard
bottom inflatable but am worried about cuts on oysters or
coral. I have space
for just about anything and a crane to put it on top.
Lorenzo, when we are choosing a dinghy, we think about picking the one with the liablities that we can live with the best... for we seldom keep things because we like it, but instead we tend to get rid of it because of what we don't like about it. If the one we pick is the best of the worst, then all others will then be even worse, and because of having worse liabilities, doubtful that it would be a better choice.
We choose a hard dinghy because we don't want to deal with those unexpected holes that can show up in an inflatable. We choose a rowing dingny because if all else fails, we can still get somewhere with the oars and if we feel like it, we can put a sailing rig on it; plus we like to row. We chose fiberglass, and the previous dinghy of cold molded wood/glass because we could build it ourselves. We chose a heavy displacement dinghy for the stability and load carrying ability. We chose a one-piece 8 footer because it would fit in the space we had for a dinghy and we didn't really need more length. We chose a fairly high-sided design not only for added stability, but also because the "high" sides are an advantage in a sea/chop/waves. We chose to design it ourselves so that we could get what we wanted. For us, it fits our needs.
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
Check out the aluminum bottom AB inflatable.
Ron
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On Aug 7, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Lorenzo Boelitz lorenzo@backyards.biz wrote:
Need some advise. Right now I'm using a 14 ft alum jonboat as a tender, but
in
rough and choppy seas it comes close to swamping. I'm thinking of maybe a
hard
bottom inflatable but am worried about cuts on oysters or coral. I have
space
for just about anything and a crane to put it on top. Would a Boston Whaler
type
fiberglass tender serve me better? I almost always anchor out and away from
other boats and would like to feel comfortable going into town without
worrying
about a blow.
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Lorenzo,
Sounds like one of the Carolina Skiffs, about 12 ft, would be perfect for
you. They're wide and roomy, fiberglass, and self-bailing. There's about
3" of foam built into the floor so they're impossible to sink. They're
relatively inexpensive, and have been around long enough to be readily
available on the used market.
Mark Richter, "Winnie the Pooh", Ortona, FL on the Okeechbee Waterway
To all our friends on the T&T list,
Passage of Time, our Michael Kasten designed, YachtSmiths International
built, passagemaking trawler is ready for its first adventure into the open
ocean. For those of you that have followed us along the way, many with
helpful suggestions and assistance, this culminates a several years
adventure in designing and then building our dream boat. To those of you
that have helped and provided encouragement along the way -- thanks once
again. The list here was a great resource for us, and I am sure will
continue to be.
When we started this process of finding the "perfect" boat, for a number
reasons, we decided to design it from scratch and then build it (or have it
built) ourselves. We found Michael Kasten, who We ended up with a
unique-looking, 53 foot, aluminum vessel. Arild Jensen, from the list is
responsible for much of the electrical design. We then searched high and
low for a builder who could turn Michael's plans into flesh and bones, so to
speak. We sent the plans across North America, got a bunch of estimates,
narrowed the list, interviewed the best . . . and selected YachtSmiths
International -- a small boat building company in Dartmouth, across the
harbor from Halifax, run by Brian Smyth and Dave Canning and supported by a
great group of welders, electricians, carpenters and the like, each of whom
took a special pride in building our boat.
We flew to Halifax a couple of weeks ago, where she was the star of the Nova
Scotia Boat Show and then began testing all the systems and finishing up the
final install of some items. Seat trials went along just as sea trials
always do -- with us deciding to add some things, finding and repairing some
things, and essentially making sure that everything worked as we wanted it
to.
All of that ended a few days ago and I finally got to take Passage of Time
out myself; didn't dent it or the dock. Everything works great.
Passage of Time has a 175 hp John Deere main, with a 29 hp Kubota (just in
case, "get home") wing engine. She has a couple of big, series 98, 200 amp,
Balmar alternators that supply power to the boat while underway and a huge
battery bank for use when anchored or away from a power cord (16 big
Northstar AGMs -- she will run the air conditioner all night without an
engine running). The guys at YachtSmiths built us a super little 12'
aluminum tender that was painted to match the hull. With the 20 HP mercury
on the back, she will fly if need be! We had a blast running around the
Halifax harbor in her last week.
The controllable pitch prop provides the ability to get the "perfect" prop
pitch while underway for fuel efficient running. I am still tinkering with
its various cruise positions, but it looks like we can run at 1500 RPM, 7.0
kts, burning 2.0 gallons of fuel an hour. That will take her a good
distance with the 1200 gallon fuel capacity. The controllable pitch prop
takes a little getting used to, particularly in docking. It is a little
wired to come slowly into the dock. Normally, you reach for the throttle to
slow the boat down. With the CPP, you keep the engine RPMs up and adjust
the pitch to control the speed or put her in reverse. Takes some getting
used to when you approach a dock and you see and hear RPMs up at 1400 or so!
Fueled, she weighs about 65,000 pounds, so she has a bit of momentum behind
her as well as you make the approach -- quite a difference from my fly
bridge driven 44' Gulfstar MC.
By the way, the engine room on the boat is really well insulated. Underway
it is a very quiet boat.
There was a guy up here who created a "kick you know what" sound system
aboard -- inside and out. Theater sound for the flat screens and BlueRays
and my iPod is positively joyous to have found a new home that can enjoy the
various speakers and zones to play with (there are 22 speakers and three
subwoofers, so we can get super quality sound anywhere -- we will be quiet
at anchorages, though, but we can have one heck of a party if need be!).
Passage of Time got its name from an old James Taylor song; Secret 'o Life
that has a line . . ."the secret of life is enjoying the passage of time".
Debbie and I are both James Taylor groupies.
Time to take her back to the states and we will make the first open water
passage, hopefully, today. I am waiting for what i affectionately call "the
grease thingy" to arrive by UPS. The shaft of this baby and the controls
for the CP are all inside a stern tube that is filled with grease. The
manual says that you need a shot of grease every couple of hours. There is
a little "grease thingy" that hides in the engine room with a resiviour of
grease that is programmed to shoot a small amount of grease into the shaft
every so often. We, as Murphy's law would have it, last week when we fired
that baby up, the chip went up in a puff of blue smoke. Bad chip from the
factory that fried the entire unit. Dang. Well the new grease thingy was
sent by 2 day delivery, but managed to find its way onto the one week
delivery UPS truck. It should be here shortly. and we will stick her in
place and then be off.
We have had a great time here in Halifax and with the entire YachtSmiths
International team that is commissioning Passage of Time. Time to say
good-bye, though, and be on our way.
The grease thingy arrived and we just installed it . . . . damn chip went up
in smoke again when we powered her up. Another bad one from the factory.
Looks like we will just manually grease her while underway; a squirt every
now and then is all she needs. There is a grease nipple under the aft bed,
so no worries. Off to Boston in an hour or so.
You can watch us on the way to Boston in a couple of ways if you are at all
interested (and if you got this far in the story). I will be tracked on a
personal gaps location device called "SPOT." You can see my current
position by going to:
That will give you a fix of my location every 30 minutes or so, depending on
satellite conditions. I will head down the east coast of Nova Scotia and
then over to Boston. It is about a 42 hour run, nonstop, which I will make
with Brian Smyth, the chief of operations at YachtSmiths -- he knows the
boat inside out, so if there are any issues along the way, he'll be aboard
to help troubleshoot a fix. We will probably leave, my guess, about 2:00ish
or so (we are an hour ahead of you in the Eastern Time Zone).
There is actually a webcam in Halifax where you can see the boat (it is tiny
from the cam). You'll be able to see the departure if so inclined:
http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/halifax/bishops-landing.html#axzz0vjghg0pe
we sit a little below the pier, on a floating dock, so all you can really
see is our white rooftop. Right in the center of the picture.
Then there is:
http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/halifax/pier-21.html#axzz0vjoPxPQ4
when she leave, you will see us pass here within 10 minutes of me pushing
off. I will try to shoot an e-mail right before i push off, but it may be a
bit busy.
Next stop, USA!
Alan and Deborah Wagner
Passage of Time
Halifax, Nova Scotia . . . on our way to Boston. MA.
Hay Alan,
Congrats, sounds like you are having a great time. One small
suggestion for the greasing. On Island Eagle, I just installed a
remore grease nipple in the shop, so it's easy to access. Hang the
grease gun beside the nipple. You can get Zerk fittings at any
automotive shop, and make the hose assembly at any hydraulic shop.
Just Tee it in to the existing grease line. By the way since you are
in Canada you can get an excellent grease, Shell SRS 2000
(http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-30.pdf).
About $15 per tube and well worth the money.
Scott Welch
Island Eagle
Al and Deb-
Huh, you've got a big boat, so now you can have small names!
Don't worry about all those strange looks that folks are giving you; that'll stop in about 4 months when you guys stop walking around with those shit eating grins on your faces!
Jill and I send you our congratulations and if it were us, I doubt that we'd be able to stop smirking. Go ahead, enjoy yourselves.
By the way, I missed that part about it being a wooden boat??
Rudy and Jill
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
Al and Deb
Congratulations !
Just curious, is it the exact same boat as version #1 which was lost to fire
or did you decide in version #2 to make changes to the original Kasten
project ?
And, was it easier for the builders to build hull #2 or was it about the
same time and challenge ?
Bryan
Congratulations on your arrival in Boston, Liz and I have been
following your progress.
Doug and Liz Chapman
Moncton, New Brunswick
Canada
Carver 356
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Alan Wagner wagner.florida@verizon.net
wrote:
To all our friends on the T&T list,
Passage of Time, our Michael Kasten designed, YachtSmiths International
built, passagemaking trawler is ready for its first adventure into the open
ocean. For those of you that have followed us along the way, many with
helpful suggestions and assistance, this culminates a several years
adventure in designing and then building our dream boat. To those of you
that have helped and provided encouragement along the way -- thanks once
again. The list here was a great resource for us, and I am sure will
continue to be.
When we started this process of finding the "perfect" boat, for a number
reasons, we decided to design it from scratch and then build it (or have it
built) ourselves. We found Michael Kasten, who We ended up with a
unique-looking, 53 foot, aluminum vessel. Arild Jensen, from the list is
responsible for much of the electrical design. We then searched high and
low for a builder who could turn Michael's plans into flesh and bones, so
to
speak. We sent the plans across North America, got a bunch of estimates,
narrowed the list, interviewed the best . . . and selected YachtSmiths
International -- a small boat building company in Dartmouth, across the
harbor from Halifax, run by Brian Smyth and Dave Canning and supported by a
great group of welders, electricians, carpenters and the like, each of whom
took a special pride in building our boat.
We flew to Halifax a couple of weeks ago, where she was the star of the
Nova
Scotia Boat Show and then began testing all the systems and finishing up
the
final install of some items. Seat trials went along just as sea trials
always do -- with us deciding to add some things, finding and repairing
some
things, and essentially making sure that everything worked as we wanted it
to.
All of that ended a few days ago and I finally got to take Passage of Time
out myself; didn't dent it or the dock. Everything works great.
Passage of Time has a 175 hp John Deere main, with a 29 hp Kubota (just in
case, "get home") wing engine. She has a couple of big, series 98, 200
amp,
Balmar alternators that supply power to the boat while underway and a huge
battery bank for use when anchored or away from a power cord (16 big
Northstar AGMs -- she will run the air conditioner all night without an
engine running). The guys at YachtSmiths built us a super little 12'
aluminum tender that was painted to match the hull. With the 20 HP mercury
on the back, she will fly if need be! We had a blast running around the
Halifax harbor in her last week.
The controllable pitch prop provides the ability to get the "perfect" prop
pitch while underway for fuel efficient running. I am still tinkering with
its various cruise positions, but it looks like we can run at 1500 RPM, 7.0
kts, burning 2.0 gallons of fuel an hour. That will take her a good
distance with the 1200 gallon fuel capacity. The controllable pitch prop
takes a little getting used to, particularly in docking. It is a little
wired to come slowly into the dock. Normally, you reach for the throttle
to
slow the boat down. With the CPP, you keep the engine RPMs up and adjust
the pitch to control the speed or put her in reverse. Takes some getting
used to when you approach a dock and you see and hear RPMs up at 1400 or
so!
Fueled, she weighs about 65,000 pounds, so she has a bit of momentum behind
her as well as you make the approach -- quite a difference from my fly
bridge driven 44' Gulfstar MC.
By the way, the engine room on the boat is really well insulated. Underway
it is a very quiet boat.
There was a guy up here who created a "kick you know what" sound system
aboard -- inside and out. Theater sound for the flat screens and BlueRays
and my iPod is positively joyous to have found a new home that can enjoy
the
various speakers and zones to play with (there are 22 speakers and three
subwoofers, so we can get super quality sound anywhere -- we will be quiet
at anchorages, though, but we can have one heck of a party if need be!).
Passage of Time got its name from an old James Taylor song; Secret 'o Life
that has a line . . ."the secret of life is enjoying the passage of time".
Debbie and I are both James Taylor groupies.
Time to take her back to the states and we will make the first open water
passage, hopefully, today. I am waiting for what i affectionately call
"the
grease thingy" to arrive by UPS. The shaft of this baby and the controls
for the CP are all inside a stern tube that is filled with grease. The
manual says that you need a shot of grease every couple of hours. There is
a little "grease thingy" that hides in the engine room with a resiviour of
grease that is programmed to shoot a small amount of grease into the shaft
every so often. We, as Murphy's law would have it, last week when we fired
that baby up, the chip went up in a puff of blue smoke. Bad chip from the
factory that fried the entire unit. Dang. Well the new grease thingy was
sent by 2 day delivery, but managed to find its way onto the one week
delivery UPS truck. It should be here shortly. and we will stick her in
place and then be off.
We have had a great time here in Halifax and with the entire YachtSmiths
International team that is commissioning Passage of Time. Time to say
good-bye, though, and be on our way.
The grease thingy arrived and we just installed it . . . . damn chip went
up
in smoke again when we powered her up. Another bad one from the factory.
Looks like we will just manually grease her while underway; a squirt every
now and then is all she needs. There is a grease nipple under the aft bed,
so no worries. Off to Boston in an hour or so.
You can watch us on the way to Boston in a couple of ways if you are at all
interested (and if you got this far in the story). I will be tracked on a
personal gaps location device called "SPOT." You can see my current
position by going to:
That will give you a fix of my location every 30 minutes or so, depending
on
satellite conditions. I will head down the east coast of Nova Scotia and
then over to Boston. It is about a 42 hour run, nonstop, which I will make
with Brian Smyth, the chief of operations at YachtSmiths -- he knows the
boat inside out, so if there are any issues along the way, he'll be aboard
to help troubleshoot a fix. We will probably leave, my guess, about
2:00ish
or so (we are an hour ahead of you in the Eastern Time Zone).
There is actually a webcam in Halifax where you can see the boat (it is
tiny
from the cam). You'll be able to see the departure if so inclined:
http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/halifax/bishops-landing.html#axzz0vjghg0pe
we sit a little below the pier, on a floating dock, so all you can really
see is our white rooftop. Right in the center of the picture.
Then there is:
http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/halifax/pier-21.html#axzz0vjoPxPQ4
when she leave, you will see us pass here within 10 minutes of me pushing
off. I will try to shoot an e-mail right before i push off, but it may be
a
bit busy.
Next stop, USA!
Alan and Deborah Wagner
Passage of Time
Halifax, Nova Scotia . . . on our way to Boston. MA.
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