Hi Gerd and Charles, Thanks for the input it has given me other things to think about. I checked the output of pin 6 of U1 and I get a voltage variation of 10.2 mv from +15 to -15v adjustment on R6, so that appears to be working correctly. Now the fun starts :- using my HP 3478A to measure the dc on the output terminals I get a reading of 0.9mv on the 1 volt range, 0.3 mv on the 10 volt range, and 1.8 mv on the 100volt range. As a quick check of wether C8 may be leaky I pulled Q38 out of it's socket and got a constant DC out on the output terminals of 0.22mv on all three ranges, so maybe C8 is leaky? Using a fluke 77 3.5 digit multimeter yields vastly different DC readings, up to 5.5 v on the 100 volt range, so I suspect the Fluke 77 is reading some of the AC component on the output terminals even though DC is selected. Last night I did check the input and output on the amplifier, and on the 1 v range I was getting an input of 1v and an output of 3 volts, so the gain was correct, I did not check it on the 100v range though to see if the gain was 30. The input and output was a good clean sine wave on the amplifier. I have previously checked the 190 volt + and - supplies and they were spot on, but I will check them again before I pull the amplifier board apart again to remove C1 and C8 to test with a higher voltage other than the battery voltage of the multimeter, to see if they may be leaking at a higher voltage. Thanks, Ken ----- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:21:13 -0400 From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz@yandex.com> To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair Message-ID: <20140709222123.LMBGV5Je@smtp2o.mail.yandex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ken wrote: >R6 slider to U1 varies from +15v to -15v but the output of U1 only >varies by mv's, I put this down to the loading of R9 to earth on the >input to pin3 of U1 (221 ohm),only allowing a small variation to the >input on pin >3 of U1, maybe this needs further investigation! Look at the circuit. The 100k potentiometer (R6) feeds a voltage divider composed of R8 and R9 (464k and 221 ohms, respectively). The tap of this divider feeds the reference input of U1. R8 and R9 attenuate the +/- 15v range of R6 by a factor of 210, so the divider tap voltage (i.e., the reference voltage for U1) only varies +/- 7.14 mV from ground for the full range of R6. U1 is an integrator, so it has lots of gain at DC (Q38 switches the integrating capacitor to give two time constants). If one of these capacitors is leaky or shorted (or there is another leakage path from Pin 6 to Pin 2 of U1), it would reduce the gain of the integrator and could produce the symptom you are having. Best regards, Charles ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:29:40 -0400 From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz@yandex.com> To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair Message-ID: <20140709222949.TnBeU5B8@smtp2o.mail.yandex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oops! the divider ratio of R8/R9 is 2100, not 210. Best regards, Charles > Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:25:32 +1000 From: Gerd <admin@controlelectronics.com.au> To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> Subject: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair Message-ID: <53BE4DFC.7090902@controlelectronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Ken, The offset adjustment is about +-7mV to the input of U1. The amplifier has a gain of 3 or 30 so adjustment is small. Is the problem the same on both the 10V and 100V ranges? Is the amplifier producing the full output voltage? Is it distortion free? Are both the 190V regulators working correctly? Regards --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello Ken, Which board are you looking at? On the amplifier board (A7) C24 is the input cap. Where is C8? Don't rely on the multimeter to filter out the AC on the DC ranges, it's best to use a CRO. How is the signal coming into the amplifier from the oscillator? If the input to the amplifier is disconnected, is the offset still there? Regards On 10/07/14 20:42, Kgoodhew wrote: > Hi Gerd and Charles, > Thanks for the input it has given me other things to think about. > I checked the output of pin 6 of U1 and I get a voltage variation of 10.2 mv > from +15 to -15v adjustment on R6, so that appears to be working correctly. > Now the fun starts :- using my HP 3478A to measure the dc on the output > terminals I get a reading of 0.9mv on the 1 volt range, 0.3 mv on the 10 > volt range, and 1.8 mv on the 100volt range. > As a quick check of wether C8 may be leaky I pulled Q38 out of it's socket > and got a constant DC out on the output terminals of 0.22mv on all three > ranges, so maybe C8 is leaky? > Using a fluke 77 3.5 digit multimeter yields vastly different DC readings, > up to 5.5 v on the 100 volt range, so I suspect the Fluke 77 is reading some > of the AC component on the output terminals even though DC is selected. > Last night I did check the input and output on the amplifier, and on the 1 v > range I was getting an input of 1v and an output of 3 volts, so the gain was > correct, I did not check it on the 100v range though to see if the gain was > 30. > The input and output was a good clean sine wave on the amplifier. > I have previously checked the 190 volt + and - supplies and they were spot > on, but I will check them again before I pull the amplifier board apart > again to remove C1 and C8 to test with a higher voltage other than the > battery voltage of the multimeter, to see if they may be leaking at a higher > voltage. > Thanks, > Ken > > ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:21:13 -0400 > From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz@yandex.com> > To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair > Message-ID: <20140709222123.LMBGV5Je@smtp2o.mail.yandex.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Ken wrote: > >> R6 slider to U1 varies from +15v to -15v but the output of U1 only >> varies by mv's, I put this down to the loading of R9 to earth on the >> input to pin3 of U1 (221 ohm),only allowing a small variation to the >> input on pin >> 3 of U1, maybe this needs further investigation! > Look at the circuit. The 100k potentiometer (R6) feeds a voltage divider > composed of R8 and R9 (464k and 221 ohms, respectively). The tap of this > divider feeds the reference input of U1. R8 and R9 attenuate the +/- 15v > range of R6 by a factor of 210, so the divider tap voltage (i.e., the > reference voltage for U1) only varies +/- 7.14 mV from ground for the full > range of R6. > > U1 is an integrator, so it has lots of gain at DC (Q38 switches the > integrating capacitor to give two time constants). If one of these > capacitors is leaky or shorted (or there is another leakage path from Pin 6 > to Pin 2 of U1), it would reduce the gain of the integrator and could > produce the symptom you are having. > > Best regards, > > Charles > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:29:40 -0400 > From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz@yandex.com> > To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair > Message-ID: <20140709222949.TnBeU5B8@smtp2o.mail.yandex.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Oops! the divider ratio of R8/R9 is 2100, not 210. > > Best regards, > > Charles > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:25:32 +1000 > From: Gerd <admin@controlelectronics.com.au> > To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A repair > Message-ID: <53BE4DFC.7090902@controlelectronics.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello Ken, > > The offset adjustment is about +-7mV to the input of U1. 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