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Robert STRAGHAN
Mon, Apr 18, 2005 4:53 AM

I have commissioned a Diesel Duck 462 from Seahorse Marine in China, as a
replacement for my troller. One available option is a motorsailer rig that
increases overall sail area from 377 to 754 sq. ft.

My interest is in fuel economy in the face of never ending fuel costs. I
would rather bite the bullet now and save fuel in the long run. My problem
in justifying the cost is the incremental advantage gained by the bigger rig
over the standard N/C rig.

I realize that this is not a sailboat, and could be described as a powerboat
with sails. Performance under sail to windward will be poor to useless, and
performance under sail alone poor. These facts do not bother me too much as
the operational paradigm will be sails up and the engine ticking over.
Aside from fuel economy, I would hope so see the sails assisting paravanes
in roll attenuation, and provide a secondary means of propulsion in the
event of engine problems.

Any comments on trawlers with sails?

Robert Straghan
Ocean Tigress - Wahl 52 ft. troller


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I have commissioned a Diesel Duck 462 from Seahorse Marine in China, as a replacement for my troller. One available option is a motorsailer rig that increases overall sail area from 377 to 754 sq. ft. My interest is in fuel economy in the face of never ending fuel costs. I would rather bite the bullet now and save fuel in the long run. My problem in justifying the cost is the incremental advantage gained by the bigger rig over the standard N/C rig. I realize that this is not a sailboat, and could be described as a powerboat with sails. Performance under sail to windward will be poor to useless, and performance under sail alone poor. These facts do not bother me too much as the operational paradigm will be sails up and the engine ticking over. Aside from fuel economy, I would hope so see the sails assisting paravanes in roll attenuation, and provide a secondary means of propulsion in the event of engine problems. Any comments on trawlers with sails? Robert Straghan Ocean Tigress - Wahl 52 ft. troller _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNĀ® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
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Keith
Mon, Apr 18, 2005 11:38 AM

Check out this kite sail: http://www.kiteship.com/index.html
I have wondered about using one like this either as a get home sail, or to
augment fuel mileage / range.

Keith
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'Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert STRAGHAN" rstraghan@hotmail.com

Any comments on trawlers with sails?

Check out this kite sail: http://www.kiteship.com/index.html I have wondered about using one like this either as a get home sail, or to augment fuel mileage / range. Keith __ 'Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert STRAGHAN" <rstraghan@hotmail.com> > > Any comments on trawlers with sails? > >
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BrianC
Mon, Apr 18, 2005 4:19 PM

Hi Everyone,

I'm wondering if you could help me.

I'm looking for good books on passagemaking - either personal stories of
global travels by power boat, or books on the functional details (a la
Jim Beebe/Leishman's Voyaging under Power - which I have purchased and
read).

I'm new to the subject and want to learn as much as possible.  Any
suggestions greatly appreciated,

Brian

Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if you could help me. I'm looking for good books on passagemaking - either personal stories of global travels by power boat, or books on the functional details (a la Jim Beebe/Leishman's Voyaging under Power - which I have purchased and read). I'm new to the subject and want to learn as much as possible. Any suggestions greatly appreciated, Brian
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Scott Bulger
Thu, Apr 21, 2005 3:33 AM

Brian, the following is information from a schema I'm creating for my
passage planning, you may find some of this useful:

Ships Library
Chapmans
Annapolis Book of Seamanship
Surviving the Storm
Heavy Weather Tactics using Sea Anchors and Drogues, Earl Hinz
Survive the Savage Sea" by Dougal Robertson
The Proving Ground"  by Brude Knecht
Oceanography and Seamanship, Van Dorn
Drag Device Database, 4th Edition, Victor Shane

Retail and Wholesale Corporations with unique capabilities or indexes
www.landfallnavigation.com  (research OCENS products)
www.seaworthy.com (Good e-commerce site for books, software, videos.)
Govt. Sites
http://pollux.nss.nima.mil/info/info_j_boilerplate.html (National
Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, many valuable tools)
http://www.marisec.org/ (International Chamber of Shipping)
Medical
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-w/g-wk/wkh/smc/index.htm (USCG site with super
info)
Equipment Suppliers & Retailers
http://www.panbo.com/yae/archives/cat_handheld.html (Amazing technologies)

	www.frontpanelexpress.com					Custom panels (engine controls, gauges.)

GPS

	http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/				Lots of GPS info and Links, Apple focus

from Bob Austin, research and categorize:

Blue Water Cruising Association;  http://www.bluewatercruising.org/

Ocean Cruising Club:    http://www.oceancruisingclub.org/

Seven Seas Cruisng Club:    http://www.ssca.org/

World Cruising Association: http://www.worldcruising.com/  (mostly organized
Rallys)

Another great site for information is:  http://www.noonsite.com/  This is
also related to Jimmy Cornell's book and rallys.

Brian, the following is information from a schema I'm creating for my passage planning, you may find some of this useful: Ships Library Chapmans Annapolis Book of Seamanship Surviving the Storm Heavy Weather Tactics using Sea Anchors and Drogues, Earl Hinz Survive the Savage Sea" by Dougal Robertson The Proving Ground" by Brude Knecht Oceanography and Seamanship, Van Dorn Drag Device Database, 4th Edition, Victor Shane Retail and Wholesale Corporations with unique capabilities or indexes www.landfallnavigation.com (research OCENS products) www.seaworthy.com (Good e-commerce site for books, software, videos.) Govt. Sites http://pollux.nss.nima.mil/info/info_j_boilerplate.html (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, many valuable tools) http://www.marisec.org/ (International Chamber of Shipping) Medical http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-w/g-wk/wkh/smc/index.htm (USCG site with super info) Equipment Suppliers & Retailers http://www.panbo.com/yae/archives/cat_handheld.html (Amazing technologies) www.frontpanelexpress.com Custom panels (engine controls, gauges.) GPS http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/ Lots of GPS info and Links, Apple focus from Bob Austin, research and categorize: Blue Water Cruising Association; http://www.bluewatercruising.org/ Ocean Cruising Club: http://www.oceancruisingclub.org/ Seven Seas Cruisng Club: http://www.ssca.org/ World Cruising Association: http://www.worldcruising.com/ (mostly organized Rallys) Another great site for information is: http://www.noonsite.com/ This is also related to Jimmy Cornell's book and rallys.