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Getting to Ketchikan by Boat

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Mike Maurice
Fri, May 13, 2005 6:30 PM

There are several myths about going north that I would like to demolish.

  1. That the outside of Vancouver Island is toooo dangerous.
  2. That going up the inside is shorter, has fewer logs and more places to
    stopover.
  3. That the outside has worse weather.
  4. That the Queen Charlotte Islands are uncharted and the place on the
    chart where they should be has been replaced with  Note "A": Thar Be Dragons.
  5. The Canadians won't allow any foreign vessel to transit the outside, if
    they have to stop for fuel or supplies, unless they have cleared at Victoria.
  6. That the cost of charts for cruising in BC is prohibitive.

Here goes my take on these issues.

The outside of Vancouver Island is more exposed to direct storms, but the
inside is subject to cold outbreaks from the mainland landmass and East
winds of up to 50-100 knots, depending upon the season. The Strait of
Georgia and Johnston Strait are subject to strong winds which can make then
impassable for small craft, most often when storms are
approaching  offshore. I just went up the outside with it calm when the
inside passage was blowing hard from a cold outbreak.

Going up the outside will save 120 miles of time, fuel and close quarters
navigating. The spring melt is underway and the  Skeena River near Prince
Rupert is dumping logs into the inside passage. There were very few logs on
the outside of Vancouver Island. There were a few between the North end of
the island and the south end of the Queen Charlottes. There are many places
to stopover on the outside, but you need some charts.

There are MANY places to duck and hide in on the way up the outside of
Vancouver Island. In that respect it is much safer than the outer coast of
Oregon or Washington. The Marine Atlas charts would seem to provide a
reasonable level of detail for these purposes.

If you read the Sailing Directions for BC, both books cost about $60 each,
it mentions that the outside of the Queen Charlottes have not been surveyed
properly inside of 50 fathoms or so. I would be wary of approaching those
islands anyplace that is not charted with large scale charts, which is most
of the outside coastline.

For chart work in BC I use the Marine Atlas by Bayless Enterprises. There
are 2 volumes, volume 1 covers the inside of Vancouver Island and volume 2
Port Hardy BC to Skagway AK. Neither volume has much coverage of the Queen
Charlottes. If you stick to the main routes, they are generally clear of
obstructions with only a few places that you need to be extra wary. I carry
the Sailing Directions for Northern BC. The cost of all this is $150 US. I
would suggest that you supplement this with regular charts for places the
Atlas does not cover in enough detail and you want to operate there. My PDA
has all the charts for SE Alaska.

I estimate that you can save about another 100 miles by running straight
from the North end of Vancouver Island to Ketchikan by going up Hecate
Strait, just past Rose Spit. All in all you can save about 220 miles of
fuel and at least a days time by this method.

Hecate Strait has a bad reputation, but you are not going to use this route
unless the weather is reasonably calm anyway and my estimate is that except
during short periods during storms and near max ebb or flood (in shallows
or narrow passages), this strait is pretty safe. I would not get near Rose
Spit during strong currents. The flats south of Rose Point called Dogfish
Bank seem safe if the swell is low, no storm activity around and the
current is not running hard. The low detail charts show a lot of 3 fathoms
spots, but I ran up through there several miles offshore and found that the
shoal spots are pretty small and general depths run 10 fathoms or more.
Queen Charlotte City is a fine spot to stay overnight if you are cleared in.

If you call Canadian Customs before leaving Neah Bay they may give you a
clearance without demanding you come to Victoria. In any event the Customs
station at Ucluelet BC (NW corner of Barkley Sound) is only open in the
summer. There is no other formal year round clearance station on the outer
coast of Vancouver Island. I got a phone clearance at Ucluelet since the
station was not open. They might have demanded that we appear in person
somewhere else since the station was not yet open. Since we were headed
almost directly for Ketchikan, they were real nice about it and cleared us
by phone. I had called while at Neah Bay and been given incorrect
information about the station being open, that worked in our favor. I
suspect that if you don't raise any of their "red flags" that in most cases
you can get a clearance number by phone while still in the US.

It would have been cheaper to fly a customs agent to Ucluelet than to take
the boat back to Victoria as a matter of cost, time and the chances of
hitting a log or other damage. I would use this argument for a phone
clearance, in any event. Most of these issues can be settled by some deft
negotiation. Offer to do anything they want, but point out the cost and
inconvenience and risk to your boat. The Canadians are human and are
generally not looking to be unaccommodating.

Regards,
Mike

Capt. Mike Maurice
Tualatin(Portland), Oregon

There are several myths about going north that I would like to demolish. 1. That the outside of Vancouver Island is toooo dangerous. 2. That going up the inside is shorter, has fewer logs and more places to stopover. 3. That the outside has worse weather. 4. That the Queen Charlotte Islands are uncharted and the place on the chart where they should be has been replaced with Note "A": Thar Be Dragons. 5. The Canadians won't allow any foreign vessel to transit the outside, if they have to stop for fuel or supplies, unless they have cleared at Victoria. 6. That the cost of charts for cruising in BC is prohibitive. Here goes my take on these issues. The outside of Vancouver Island is more exposed to direct storms, but the inside is subject to cold outbreaks from the mainland landmass and East winds of up to 50-100 knots, depending upon the season. The Strait of Georgia and Johnston Strait are subject to strong winds which can make then impassable for small craft, most often when storms are approaching offshore. I just went up the outside with it calm when the inside passage was blowing hard from a cold outbreak. Going up the outside will save 120 miles of time, fuel and close quarters navigating. The spring melt is underway and the Skeena River near Prince Rupert is dumping logs into the inside passage. There were very few logs on the outside of Vancouver Island. There were a few between the North end of the island and the south end of the Queen Charlottes. There are many places to stopover on the outside, but you need some charts. There are MANY places to duck and hide in on the way up the outside of Vancouver Island. In that respect it is much safer than the outer coast of Oregon or Washington. The Marine Atlas charts would seem to provide a reasonable level of detail for these purposes. If you read the Sailing Directions for BC, both books cost about $60 each, it mentions that the outside of the Queen Charlottes have not been surveyed properly inside of 50 fathoms or so. I would be wary of approaching those islands anyplace that is not charted with large scale charts, which is most of the outside coastline. For chart work in BC I use the Marine Atlas by Bayless Enterprises. There are 2 volumes, volume 1 covers the inside of Vancouver Island and volume 2 Port Hardy BC to Skagway AK. Neither volume has much coverage of the Queen Charlottes. If you stick to the main routes, they are generally clear of obstructions with only a few places that you need to be extra wary. I carry the Sailing Directions for Northern BC. The cost of all this is $150 US. I would suggest that you supplement this with regular charts for places the Atlas does not cover in enough detail and you want to operate there. My PDA has all the charts for SE Alaska. I estimate that you can save about another 100 miles by running straight from the North end of Vancouver Island to Ketchikan by going up Hecate Strait, just past Rose Spit. All in all you can save about 220 miles of fuel and at least a days time by this method. Hecate Strait has a bad reputation, but you are not going to use this route unless the weather is reasonably calm anyway and my estimate is that except during short periods during storms and near max ebb or flood (in shallows or narrow passages), this strait is pretty safe. I would not get near Rose Spit during strong currents. The flats south of Rose Point called Dogfish Bank seem safe if the swell is low, no storm activity around and the current is not running hard. The low detail charts show a lot of 3 fathoms spots, but I ran up through there several miles offshore and found that the shoal spots are pretty small and general depths run 10 fathoms or more. Queen Charlotte City is a fine spot to stay overnight if you are cleared in. If you call Canadian Customs before leaving Neah Bay they may give you a clearance without demanding you come to Victoria. In any event the Customs station at Ucluelet BC (NW corner of Barkley Sound) is only open in the summer. There is no other formal year round clearance station on the outer coast of Vancouver Island. I got a phone clearance at Ucluelet since the station was not open. They might have demanded that we appear in person somewhere else since the station was not yet open. Since we were headed almost directly for Ketchikan, they were real nice about it and cleared us by phone. I had called while at Neah Bay and been given incorrect information about the station being open, that worked in our favor. I suspect that if you don't raise any of their "red flags" that in most cases you can get a clearance number by phone while still in the US. It would have been cheaper to fly a customs agent to Ucluelet than to take the boat back to Victoria as a matter of cost, time and the chances of hitting a log or other damage. I would use this argument for a phone clearance, in any event. Most of these issues can be settled by some deft negotiation. Offer to do anything they want, but point out the cost and inconvenience and risk to your boat. The Canadians are human and are generally not looking to be unaccommodating. Regards, Mike Capt. Mike Maurice Tualatin(Portland), Oregon
SF
Sandy floe
Fri, May 13, 2005 8:52 PM

Here are a few thoughts to add or supplement Mike's take on the "outside" of
Vancouver Island and from there on to Ketchikan.

Over the years we have been on the TWL, I have been preaching what a neat
area the "outside" is for cruising. It is pretty well known to Oregon
boaters, especially sail boats from there. One year we will cruise the west
coast of Vancouver Island and the next year we will run the inside passage
on up to Alaska. We have been doing this for many years now. Both routes can
have their nasty weather.

The west coast also has many places you can not only duck into but you can
cruise inside and behind the numerous islands which are along the coast.
Well protected, beautiful cruising.  The headlands and penninsulas can be
rounded in about a half day with a slow trawler so you are back in protected
waters fairly soon. Generally the further up the island, the worse the
weather.  A lot of history there along the coast also.

You must have good charts.  Don't take shortcuts with your chart purchases
to save money.  If you don't have good charts....you have no business going
there.

For awhile the powers that be in Canada considered having Victoria as the
only port of entry for the entire west coast.  I screamed like crazy and
wrote many letters to the settlements along the coast telling them that they
wouldn't see many U.S. boats. They in turn raised heck with their government
to have some place for us to check in.  We used to have to go into Bamfield
and that was ok but it was dropped in favor of  Ucluelet.  It would have
been prohibitive to have to take a day to go from Neah Bay down the Strait
and into Victoria and then turn around and run back another day to our
destination.

There is more fog on the outside but that's ok as there are far fewer boats
there and those who are there seem to know more about handling their boat
under those conditions.

I have had a hard time with insurance companies refusing coverage or brokers
not telling the truth about our having coverage on the "outside."  Be sure
you have your coverage IN WRITING where you intend to cruise if off the
beaten path.  The same is true for the inside passage north of Bella Bella
B.C.

Sandy and Dawna Floe
Sea Eagle (39 CHB)
Randle, WA

Here are a few thoughts to add or supplement Mike's take on the "outside" of Vancouver Island and from there on to Ketchikan. Over the years we have been on the TWL, I have been preaching what a neat area the "outside" is for cruising. It is pretty well known to Oregon boaters, especially sail boats from there. One year we will cruise the west coast of Vancouver Island and the next year we will run the inside passage on up to Alaska. We have been doing this for many years now. Both routes can have their nasty weather. The west coast also has many places you can not only duck into but you can cruise inside and behind the numerous islands which are along the coast. Well protected, beautiful cruising. The headlands and penninsulas can be rounded in about a half day with a slow trawler so you are back in protected waters fairly soon. Generally the further up the island, the worse the weather. A lot of history there along the coast also. You must have good charts. Don't take shortcuts with your chart purchases to save money. If you don't have good charts....you have no business going there. For awhile the powers that be in Canada considered having Victoria as the only port of entry for the entire west coast. I screamed like crazy and wrote many letters to the settlements along the coast telling them that they wouldn't see many U.S. boats. They in turn raised heck with their government to have some place for us to check in. We used to have to go into Bamfield and that was ok but it was dropped in favor of Ucluelet. It would have been prohibitive to have to take a day to go from Neah Bay down the Strait and into Victoria and then turn around and run back another day to our destination. There is more fog on the outside but that's ok as there are far fewer boats there and those who are there seem to know more about handling their boat under those conditions. I have had a hard time with insurance companies refusing coverage or brokers not telling the truth about our having coverage on the "outside." Be sure you have your coverage IN WRITING where you intend to cruise if off the beaten path. The same is true for the inside passage north of Bella Bella B.C. Sandy and Dawna Floe Sea Eagle (39 CHB) Randle, WA