Hello Racers,

While we are getting excitedabout the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions thatwe have been contemplating.
I have discussed these withseveral frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which wepropose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

TROPHIES:
CLUB Trophy
This trophy is awarded to eachfleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score thiswith the combination of the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series
+
Sunday Series
+
Memorial Day Regatta
Guy Multon Regatta
Labor Day Regatta
NBC Last Chance Regatta
Hudson River Long Distance Race

CRUISING FLEET SundaySeries Trophy
This trophy is for our ownfleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,
Sunday Series only

CRUISING FLEET WednesdayNight Series Trophy
This trophy is for our own fleet’saward and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,
Wednesday Night Series only

SCORING:
Eric Baumes will be the officialScorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

We will score the boats Did NotStart (DNS) number of starts + 1
We will score the boats Did NotFinish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will bescored 4)
We will score the boatsDisqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

So what say you?
Please say YES or NOby replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to moveforward.

Best

Osman Kurtulus
Cruising Fleet Captain(Racing)

(917)-774-7454

To All –

I am very concerned that the proposed scoring system for 2013 outlined in Osman’s e-mail below does not follow the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing “for a series longer than a regatta”.

Please see Rule A9 of the 2013-2016 rules: “A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats entered in the series.”

A boat that is registered for a Regatta, but does not race is termed DNS (Did Not Start). A DNS is scored one more than the number of starters (same as the number of boats registered for that regatta).

A group of races held longer than a regatta is termed a series.

A boat that is registered for more than a regatta (such as the Wednesday Night series, the Sunday series, etc.), but does not race is termed DNC (Did Not Compete). A DNC is scored one more than the number registered.

The number of boats “entered in the series” are defined as the number of registered boats for that series.

Likewise, a Did Not Finish (DNF) is scored “one more than the number of boats that came to the starting area”. Thus if 4 boats start the race and one boat gets a DNF, her score shall be 5. The proposed scoring system would award a DNF score equal to last place in that race.

Please think about why these rules are written the way they are. We use the low point scoring system. The fewer points you accumulate, the better. The proposed method minimizes the scoring penalty for a boat that does not race. The same number of points are awarded for a boat that gets disqualified (DSQ), does not start (DNS), does not compete (DNC), and does not finish (DNF) the race. Are we sure we want that? Are we sure want to go against the U.S. Rules of Sailing?

Lastly, please see the Telltale article from August 2012 detailing how all of the fleets at Nyack score their races. While there are some differences (such as which home or away regattas are included in year-end scoring), all of the Fleets abide by the scoring rules of U.S. Sailing. I strongly believe the Cruising Fleet should do the same.

I am encouraged that the Club Trophy in 2013 will be awarded based on all of the NBC Cruising Fleet racing events, not just Wednesday Night racing.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Hello Racers,

While we are getting excited about the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions that we have been contemplating.

I have discussed these with several frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which we propose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

TROPHIES:

CLUB Trophy

This trophy is awarded to each fleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score this with the combination of the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series

Sunday Series

Memorial Day Regatta

Guy Multon Regatta

Labor Day Regatta

NBC Last Chance Regatta

Hudson River Long Distance Race

CRUISING FLEET Sunday Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Sunday Series only

CRUISING FLEET Wednesday Night Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series only

SCORING:

Eric Baumes will be the official Scorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

We will score the boats Did Not Start (DNS) number of starts + 1

We will score the boats Did Not Finish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will be scored 4)

We will score the boats Disqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

So what say you?

Please say YES or NO by replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to move forward.

Best

Osman Kurtulus

Cruising Fleet Captain (Racing)

(917)-774-7454

Lee is pretty close on this issue.  However, consider that the fleet may amend Appendix 'A' in any way it chooses so long as it is stated in the sailing instructions.  In this case, because the fleet sails in several regattas and series that are controlled by various sailing instructions, and each sailing instruction notes that the fleet will determine its own scoring, you can choose any method you want without further notice in the SIs.

Most of the fleets at NBC (if not all) award an average score to a competitor that does not compete because the owner or skipper of that boat is working on Race Committee, Race Patrol or an away regatta or series or qualifying race.  I suggest you to add this to your scoring system as it encourages Cruising Fleet members to participate in the above noted  situation.

If you divide your season series into smaller segments, it is easier and more equitable to apply various scoring penalties, i.e. a boat that cannot compete in the spring may be able to sail the rest of the season but will start the summer with a considerable number of points.

Please note the recommendation after Rule A11 and consider utilizing some of the ideas.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Luce
To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' ; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org ; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

To All –

I am very concerned that the proposed scoring system for 2013 outlined in Osman’s e-mail below does not follow the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing “for a series longer than a regatta”.

Please see Rule A9 of the 2013-2016 rules: “A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats entered in the series.”

A boat that is registered for a Regatta, but does not race is termed DNS (Did Not Start). A DNS is scored one more than the number of starters (same as the number of boats registered for that regatta).

A group of races held longer than a regatta is termed a series.

A boat that is registered for more than a regatta (such as the Wednesday Night series, the Sunday series, etc.), but does not race is termed DNC (Did Not Compete). A DNC is scored one more than the number registered.

The number of boats “entered in the series” are defined as the number of registered boats for that series.

Likewise, a Did Not Finish (DNF) is scored “one more than the number of boats that came to the starting area”. Thus if 4 boats start the race and one boat gets a DNF, her score shall be 5. The proposed scoring system would award a DNF score equal to last place in that race.

Please think about why these rules are written the way they are. We use the low point scoring system. The fewer points you accumulate, the better. The proposed method minimizes the scoring penalty for a boat that does not race. The same number of points are awarded for a boat that gets disqualified (DSQ), does not start (DNS), does not compete (DNC), and does not finish (DNF) the race. Are we sure we want that? Are we sure want to go against the U.S. Rules of Sailing?

Lastly, please see the Telltale article from August 2012 detailing how all of the fleets at Nyack score their races. While there are some differences (such as which home or away regattas are included in year-end scoring), all of the Fleets abide by the scoring rules of U.S. Sailing. I strongly believe the Cruising Fleet should do the same.

I am encouraged that the Club Trophy in 2013 will be awarded based on all of the NBC Cruising Fleet racing events, not just Wednesday Night racing.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Hello Racers,

While we are getting excited about the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions that we have been contemplating.

I have discussed these with several frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which we propose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

TROPHIES:

CLUB Trophy

This trophy is awarded to each fleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score this with the combination of the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series

Sunday Series

Memorial Day Regatta

Guy Multon Regatta

Labor Day Regatta

NBC Last Chance Regatta

Hudson River Long Distance Race

CRUISING FLEET Sunday Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Sunday Series only

CRUISING FLEET Wednesday Night Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series only

SCORING:

Eric Baumes will be the official Scorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

We will score the boats Did Not Start (DNS) number of starts + 1

We will score the boats Did Not Finish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will be scored 4)

We will score the boats Disqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

So what say you?

Please say YES or NO by replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to move forward.

Best

Osman Kurtulus

Cruising Fleet Captain (Racing)

(917)-774-7454

Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org

Thank you, Gary, for the reminder to apply average scores to those volunteering for RC duty. One would hope every racing skipper would spend at least one race each season volunteering for Race Committee duty. You help out our Race Committee, and always learn a lot watching the tactics of your fellow competitors.

And yes, in the past, when Fleet awards are assessed, the spring and fall seasons are calculated separately. There hasn’t been enough participation within the Cruising Fleet in all divisions to  make awards for spring, summer, and fall as many fleets do.

Still to discuss for 2013 are the number of throw-outs allowed, penalties for not verbally registering before each race, penalties for withdrawing without notifying the Race Committee, PHRF divisions for 2013, grandfathering race results for late PHRFs ??, requirement to pay fleet dues if one is to be scored as part of the Fleet, number of races on Sundays and in regattas, and scoring mathematics.

One of my pet peeves is that every year we score boats that race at the beginning of the season who haven’t gotten a PHRF yet, and have not paid their annual Fleet dues. When the boat finally gets a PHRF, we allow previous races to count and call this “grandfathering”. Seems to me that if a Cruising boat doesn’t have a PHRF registered on the HRYRA web site at the time of the race, her score should not count. Let’s end the practice of “grandfather scoring” and concentrate on being fair to competitors who abide by the rules. Likewise, no competitor should be scored who has not paid their annual Fleet dues. A quick check with the HRYRA web site and treasurer Karen Horton by the scorer should solve these problems.

Lee

From: Gary Tenenbaum [mailto:gtenen@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:18 AM
To: Lee Luce; 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus'; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Lee is pretty close on this issue.  However, consider that the fleet may amend Appendix 'A' in any way it chooses so long as it is stated in the sailing instructions.  In this case, because the fleet sails in several regattas and series that are controlled by various sailing instructions, and each sailing instruction notes that the fleet will determine its own scoring, you can choose any method you want without further notice in the SIs.

Most of the fleets at NBC (if not all) award an average score to a competitor that does not compete because the owner or skipper of that boat is working on Race Committee, Race Patrol or an away regatta or series or qualifying race.  I suggest you to add this to your scoring system as it encourages Cruising Fleet members to participate in the above noted  situation.

If you divide your season series into smaller segments, it is easier and more equitable to apply various scoring penalties, i.e. a boat that cannot compete in the spring may be able to sail the rest of the season but will start the summer with a considerable number of points.

Please note the recommendation after Rule A11 and consider utilizing some of the ideas.

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Lee Luce mailto:luce01@optonline.net

To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' mailto:kurtulusoc@aol.com  ; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org ; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

To All –

I am very concerned that the proposed scoring system for 2013 outlined in Osman’s e-mail below does not follow the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing “for a series longer than a regatta”.

Please see Rule A9 of the 2013-2016 rules: “A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats entered in the series.”

A boat that is registered for a Regatta, but does not race is termed DNS (Did Not Start). A DNS is scored one more than the number of starters (same as the number of boats registered for that regatta).

A group of races held longer than a regatta is termed a series.

A boat that is registered for more than a regatta (such as the Wednesday Night series, the Sunday series, etc.), but does not race is termed DNC (Did Not Compete). A DNC is scored one more than the number registered.

The number of boats “entered in the series” are defined as the number of registered boats for that series.

Likewise, a Did Not Finish (DNF) is scored “one more than the number of boats that came to the starting area”. Thus if 4 boats start the race and one boat gets a DNF, her score shall be 5. The proposed scoring system would award a DNF score equal to last place in that race.

Please think about why these rules are written the way they are. We use the low point scoring system. The fewer points you accumulate, the better. The proposed method minimizes the scoring penalty for a boat that does not race. The same number of points are awarded for a boat that gets disqualified (DSQ), does not start (DNS), does not compete (DNC), and does not finish (DNF) the race. Are we sure we want that? Are we sure want to go against the U.S. Rules of Sailing?

Lastly, please see the Telltale article from August 2012 detailing how all of the fleets at Nyack score their races. While there are some differences (such as which home or away regattas are included in year-end scoring), all of the Fleets abide by the scoring rules of U.S. Sailing. I strongly believe the Cruising Fleet should do the same.

I am encouraged that the Club Trophy in 2013 will be awarded based on all of the NBC Cruising Fleet racing events, not just Wednesday Night racing.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Hello Racers,

While we are getting excited about the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions that we have been contemplating.

I have discussed these with several frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which we propose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

TROPHIES:

CLUB Trophy

This trophy is awarded to each fleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score this with the combination of the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series

Sunday Series

Memorial Day Regatta

Guy Multon Regatta

Labor Day Regatta

NBC Last Chance Regatta

Hudson River Long Distance Race

CRUISING FLEET Sunday Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Sunday Series only

CRUISING FLEET Wednesday Night Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series only

SCORING:

Eric Baumes will be the official Scorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

We will score the boats Did Not Start (DNS) number of starts + 1

We will score the boats Did Not Finish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will be scored 4)

We will score the boats Disqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

So what say you?

Please say YES or NO by replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to move forward.

Best

Osman Kurtulus

Cruising Fleet Captain (Racing)

(917)-774-7454

Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org

The penalty for not registering verbally is that the RC will not score you as not competing - rule 15.1 Wednesday Night SI
See 15.2 for penalty for withdrawing.  The SIs will be available very soon so trust me that this is in there.  15.2 is not in the Sunday or Holiday SIs because it is not much of a safety issue.

The issue of PHRF certificates is not a Race Committee problem.  They are required by the SIs but the RC does not check them.  I suggest the fleet adopt a rule that only boats with a valid PHRF certificate be put on the boat check-in list that is used by the RC.  The RC can then be informed that a boat not on the list cannot be checked in.  A similar method is employed for regattas.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Luce
To: 'Gary Tenenbaum' ; 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' ; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Cc: Karen Horton
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Thank you, Gary, for the reminder to apply average scores to those volunteering for RC duty. One would hope every racing skipper would spend at least one race each season volunteering for Race Committee duty. You help out our Race Committee, and always learn a lot watching the tactics of your fellow competitors.

And yes, in the past, when Fleet awards are assessed, the spring and fall seasons are calculated separately. There hasn’t been enough participation within the Cruising Fleet in all divisions to  make awards for spring, summer, and fall as many fleets do.

Still to discuss for 2013 are the number of throw-outs allowed, penalties for not verbally registering before each race, penalties for withdrawing without notifying the Race Committee, PHRF divisions for 2013, grandfathering race results for late PHRFs ??, requirement to pay fleet dues if one is to be scored as part of the Fleet, number of races on Sundays and in regattas, and scoring mathematics.

One of my pet peeves is that every year we score boats that race at the beginning of the season who haven’t gotten a PHRF yet, and have not paid their annual Fleet dues. When the boat finally gets a PHRF, we allow previous races to count and call this “grandfathering”. Seems to me that if a Cruising boat doesn’t have a PHRF registered on the HRYRA web site at the time of the race, her score should not count. Let’s end the practice of “grandfather scoring” and concentrate on being fair to competitors who abide by the rules. Likewise, no competitor should be scored who has not paid their annual Fleet dues. A quick check with the HRYRA web site and treasurer Karen Horton by the scorer should solve these problems.

Lee

From: Gary Tenenbaum [mailto:gtenen@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:18 AM
To: Lee Luce; 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus'; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Lee is pretty close on this issue.  However, consider that the fleet may amend Appendix 'A' in any way it chooses so long as it is stated in the sailing instructions.  In this case, because the fleet sails in several regattas and series that are controlled by various sailing instructions, and each sailing instruction notes that the fleet will determine its own scoring, you can choose any method you want without further notice in the SIs.

Most of the fleets at NBC (if not all) award an average score to a competitor that does not compete because the owner or skipper of that boat is working on Race Committee, Race Patrol or an away regatta or series or qualifying race.  I suggest you to add this to your scoring system as it encourages Cruising Fleet members to participate in the above noted  situation.

If you divide your season series into smaller segments, it is easier and more equitable to apply various scoring penalties, i.e. a boat that cannot compete in the spring may be able to sail the rest of the season but will start the summer with a considerable number of points.

Please note the recommendation after Rule A11 and consider utilizing some of the ideas.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Lee Luce 

To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' ; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org ; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org 

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

 

To All –

I am very concerned that the proposed scoring system for 2013 outlined in Osman’s e-mail below does not follow the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing “for a series longer than a regatta”. 

Please see Rule A9 of the 2013-2016 rules: “A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats entered in the series.” 

A boat that is registered for a Regatta, but does not race is termed DNS (Did Not Start). A DNS is scored one more than the number of starters (same as the number of boats registered for that regatta).

A group of races held longer than a regatta is termed a series.

A boat that is registered for more than a regatta (such as the Wednesday Night series, the Sunday series, etc.), but does not race is termed DNC (Did Not Compete). A DNC is scored one more than the number registered.

The number of boats “entered in the series” are defined as the number of registered boats for that series. 

Likewise, a Did Not Finish (DNF) is scored “one more than the number of boats that came to the starting area”. Thus if 4 boats start the race and one boat gets a DNF, her score shall be 5. The proposed scoring system would award a DNF score equal to last place in that race.

Please think about why these rules are written the way they are. We use the low point scoring system. The fewer points you accumulate, the better. The proposed method minimizes the scoring penalty for a boat that does not race. The same number of points are awarded for a boat that gets disqualified (DSQ), does not start (DNS), does not compete (DNC), and does not finish (DNF) the race. Are we sure we want that? Are we sure want to go against the U.S. Rules of Sailing?

Lastly, please see the Telltale article from August 2012 detailing how all of the fleets at Nyack score their races. While there are some differences (such as which home or away regattas are included in year-end scoring), all of the Fleets abide by the scoring rules of U.S. Sailing. I strongly believe the Cruising Fleet should do the same.

I am encouraged that the Club Trophy in 2013 will be awarded based on all of the NBC Cruising Fleet racing events, not just Wednesday Night racing.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

 

 

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

 

Hello Racers,

 

While we are getting excited about the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions that we have been contemplating. 

I have discussed these with several frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which we propose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

 

TROPHIES:

CLUB Trophy            

This trophy is awarded to each fleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score this with the combination of the following races/regattas,

 

Wednesday Night Series

+

Sunday Series

+

Memorial Day Regatta

Guy Multon Regatta

Labor Day Regatta

NBC Last Chance Regatta

Hudson River Long Distance Race

 

CRUISING FLEET Sunday Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Sunday Series only

 

CRUISING FLEET Wednesday Night Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series only

 

SCORING:

Eric Baumes will be the official Scorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

 

We will score the boats Did Not Start (DNS) number of starts + 1

We will score the boats Did Not Finish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will be scored 4)

We will score the boats Disqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

 

 

So what say you?

Please say YES or NO by replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to move forward.

 

Best

 

Osman Kurtulus

Cruising Fleet Captain (Racing) 

 

(917)-774-7454

_______________________________________________
Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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I believe we discussed "boats without a PHRF certificate Can Start only with the FUN Fleet", and penalties going forward for violaters.
morris

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Luce luce01@optonline.net
To: 'Gary Tenenbaum' gtenen@optonline.net; 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' kurtulusoc@aol.com; wednightracing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Cc: Karen Horton horton@bccls.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 11:04 am
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Thank you, Gary, for the reminder to apply average scores to those volunteering for RC duty. One would hope every racing skipper would spend at least one race each season volunteering for Race Committee duty. You help out our Race Committee, and always learn a lot watching the tactics of your fellow competitors.
And yes, in the past, when Fleet awards are assessed, the spring and fall seasons are calculated separately. There hasn’t been enough participation within the Cruising Fleet in all divisions to  make awards for spring, summer, and fall as many fleets do.
Still to discuss for 2013 are the number of throw-outs allowed, penalties for not verbally registering before each race, penalties for withdrawing without notifying the Race Committee, PHRF divisions for 2013, grandfathering race results for late PHRFs ??, requirement to pay fleet dues if one is to be scored as part of the Fleet, number of races on Sundays and in regattas, and scoring mathematics.
One of my pet peeves is that every year we score boats that race at the beginning of the season who haven’t gotten a PHRF yet, and have not paid their annual Fleet dues. When the boat finally gets a PHRF, we allow previous races to count and call this “grandfathering”. Seems to me that if a Cruising boat doesn’t have a PHRF registered on the HRYRA web site at the time of the race, her score should not count. Let’s end the practice of “grandfather scoring” and concentrate on being fair to competitors who abide by the rules. Likewise, no competitor should be scored who has not paid their annual Fleet dues. A quick check with the HRYRA web site and treasurer Karen Horton by the scorer should solve these problems.
Lee

From: Gary Tenenbaum [mailto:gtenen@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:18 AM
To: Lee Luce; 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus'; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Lee is pretty close on this issue.  However, consider that the fleet may amend Appendix 'A' in any way it chooses so long as it is stated in the sailing instructions.  In this case, because the fleet sails in several regattas and series that are controlled by various sailing instructions, and each sailing instruction notes that the fleet will determine its own scoring, you can choose any method you want without further notice in the SIs.

Most of the fleets at NBC (if not all) award an average score to a competitor that does not compete because the owner or skipper of that boat is working on Race Committee, Race Patrol or an away regatta or series or qualifying race.  I suggest you to add this to your scoring system as it encourages Cruising Fleet members to participate in the above noted  situation.

If you divide your season series into smaller segments, it is easier and more equitable to apply various scoring penalties, i.e. a boat that cannot compete in the spring may be able to sail the rest of the season but will start the summer with a considerable number of points.

Please note the recommendation after Rule A11 and consider utilizing some of the ideas.

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Lee Luce

To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' ; wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org ; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

To All –
I am very concerned that the proposed scoring system for 2013 outlined in Osman’s e-mail below does not follow the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing “for a series longer than a regatta”.
Please see Rule A9 of the 2013-2016 rules: “A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats entered in the series.”
A boat that is registered for a Regatta, but does not race is termed DNS (Did Not Start). A DNS is scored one more than the number of starters (same as the number of boats registered for that regatta).
A group of races held longer than a regatta is termed a series.
A boat that is registered for more than a regatta (such as the Wednesday Night series, the Sunday series, etc.), but does not race is termed DNC (Did Not Compete). A DNC is scored one more than the number registered.
The number of boats “entered in the series” are defined as the number of registered boats for that series.
Likewise, a Did Not Finish (DNF) is scored “one more than the number of boats that came to the starting area”. Thus if 4 boats start the race and one boat gets a DNF, her score shall be 5. The proposed scoring system would award a DNF score equal to last place in that race.
Please think about why these rules are written the way they are. We use the low point scoring system. The fewer points you accumulate, the better. The proposed method minimizes the scoring penalty for a boat that does not race. The same number of points are awarded for a boat that gets disqualified (DSQ), does not start (DNS), does not compete (DNC), and does not finish (DNF) the race. Are we sure we want that? Are we sure want to go against the U.S. Rules of Sailing?
Lastly, please see the Telltale article from August 2012 detailing how all of the fleets at Nyack score their races. While there are some differences (such as which home or away regattas are included in year-end scoring), all of the Fleets abide by the scoring rules of U.S. Sailing. I strongly believe the Cruising Fleet should do the same.
I am encouraged that the Club Trophy in 2013 will be awarded based on all of the NBC Cruising Fleet racing events, not just Wednesday Night racing.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org; wednightracing@nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Trophies and Scoring for Cruising Fleet

Hello Racers,

While we are getting excited about the coming up season, I wanted to get your input on couple of notions that we have been contemplating.

I have discussed these with several frequent racers, a soft committee per se; and the following changes which we propose to improve our scoring system and awarding our trophies for 2013 racing season.

TROPHIES:

CLUB Trophy

This trophy is awarded to each fleet by the club and covers the entire season. We will score this with the combination of the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series

Sunday Series

Memorial Day Regatta

Guy Multon Regatta

Labor Day Regatta

NBC Last Chance Regatta

Hudson River Long Distance Race

CRUISING FLEET Sunday Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Sunday Series only

CRUISING FLEET Wednesday Night Series Trophy

This trophy is for our own fleet’s award and we will score this based on the following races/regattas,

Wednesday Night Series only

SCORING:

Eric Baumes will be the official Scorer for the Cruising Fleet. (I will be his back up at his absence)

We will score the boats Did Not Start (DNS) number of starts + 1

We will score the boats Did Not Finish (DNF) last place (4 boats start in any race and each DNF will be scored 4)

We will score the boats Disqualified (DSQ) number of starts + 1

So what say you?

Please say YES or NO by replying to this email to me, so that I can tally the votes to move forward.

Best

Osman Kurtulus

Cruising Fleet Captain (Racing)

(917)-774-7454

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