At 08:34 AM 7/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >You seem to insinuate these guys don't know what the risks are (or you >estimate them as too high) in cutting under this north-bound TS. We all I do not insinuate anything. I consider their project strictly as an example of something to critique. Please do not read into my posts more than I put there. If I intended to criticize their decision, I would have made it plain. There are plenty of novices reading these posts. Just because the fellows on the Willard have got their game under control, does not mean there are no weaknesses in their tactics. I consider everybody's tactics, including my own to be fair game for debate. The debate itself is healthy. If for no other reason than it generally takes place amongst those who are safe and on dry land. Or, to put it another way. A thin skin is of little use at sea, or in a lively debate. Any serious error while running a boat will generally be subjected to the glaring light of day and the analysis of others. Get used to it. Better to learn from the tactics and mistakes of others than to become a party to them. Kindest Regards, Mike Capt. Mike Maurice Near Portland Oregon.