minkowski + mesh is not closed
On 10/5/2022 12:36 AM, edmund ronald wrote:
I agree it’s a headache. Could we use a dark corner of some existing
forum? I mean there are a lot of forums attached to computer news
sites and we could maybe open a section on one of those, they like
traffic, we’d have ads on the pages but that wouldn’t kill anyone
The Reddit community seems to be the second most active OpenSCAD
community on the net.
Is the OpenSCAD subreddit not forum-like enough for folks who want a forum experience to use?
https://old.reddit.com/r/openscad/
(or https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/ )
I think a mailing list is perfectly serviceable, and appreciate the work folks do to keep this list going, so long as there is an archive which can be indexed/searched and linked against. Is:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
going to continue to work going forward?
William
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:44 AM edmund ronald edmundronald@gmail.com wrote:
A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want another person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
A forum is yet-one-more-site to visit to see what's new. A mailing
list shows up where I am all day, every day.
My mailbox is right here for searching old posts. Forums eventually
die off and shut down and take all the content with them.
-ethan
Ethan, I agree with what you say. For many, the mailing list is the best
solution. The problem is that on this mailing list people keep trying to
shut down "off topic" discussions. On a forum "off topic discussions" like
how do I make sure my thingy prints, or how do I package my stuff in a
module and post it on github, can just sit there in a corner of the forum
and elicit no complaints.
Mailing list pros:
-Known interface
-Very little admin.
Forum pros:
-Low interest threads can persist without aggravation.
-Forum activity evidences the uses of the software and concerns of the
users.
Edmund
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 7:07 PM Ethan Dicks ethan.dicks@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:44 AM edmund ronald edmundronald@gmail.com
wrote:
A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want another
person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
A forum is yet-one-more-site to visit to see what's new. A mailing
list shows up where I am all day, every day.
My mailbox is right here for searching old posts. Forums eventually
die off and shut down and take all the content with them.
-ethan
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You can ask for a forum all you want (and I don't particularly have a dog
in this hunt), but if the people whose answers you seek aren't going to use
one, then it won't do any good. So you can pick one:
- Handy interface, harder to get answers.
- Less handy interface, more informed answers.
Your call. If I wanted a forum-esque interface, I guess I'd go with reddit.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 5:42 PM edmund ronald edmundronald@gmail.com wrote:
Ethan, I agree with what you say. For many, the mailing list is the best
solution. The problem is that on this mailing list people keep trying to
shut down "off topic" discussions. On a forum "off topic discussions" like
how do I make sure my thingy prints, or how do I package my stuff in a
module and post it on github, can just sit there in a corner of the forum
and elicit no complaints.
Mailing list pros:
-Known interface
-Very little admin.
Forum pros:
-Low interest threads can persist without aggravation.
-Forum activity evidences the uses of the software and concerns of the
users.
Edmund
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 7:07 PM Ethan Dicks ethan.dicks@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:44 AM edmund ronald edmundronald@gmail.com
wrote:
A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want another
person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
A forum is yet-one-more-site to visit to see what's new. A mailing
list shows up where I am all day, every day.
My mailbox is right here for searching old posts. Forums eventually
die off and shut down and take all the content with them.
-ethan
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Is: https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org going to continue to work going forward?
Yes, including all its bugs. (Or possibly migrating to something similar)
Note that for the presentation side bugs, the actual stored messages are correct (in original email format).
Empathy just does a poor job displaying them.
So there is a slim chance it may improve, or should we migrate to something equivalent, the content is good.
From: William F. Adams
Sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 03:44
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Is the OpenSCAD subreddit not forum-like enough for folks who want a forum experience to use?
https://old.reddit.com/r/openscad/
(or https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/ )
I think a mailing list is perfectly serviceable, and appreciate the work folks do to keep this list going, so long as there is an archive which can be indexed/searched and linked against. Is:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
going to continue to work going forward?
William
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To clarify.
so long as there is an archive which can be indexed/searched and linked against
From my reply you can see there is the possibility the archive could be migrated at some time.
Migration is not under active consideration at this time.
But deep linking into Empathy will have issues when that happens.
Empathy is the frontend to the Mailing-list archive.
It does not seem possible to get a link to the actual archive, as was possible with Mailman3.
Due to Empathy bugs you probably don't want to link into it for anything important.
You can't rely on .SCAD code not getting corrupted ('formatted') for example, and its threading is woeful.
Nabble is likely to delete the old Forum at some stage, likewise deep links into it will have issues.
The old Forum contents have been archived and may at some stage get hosted somewhere for posterity.
From: Michael Marx [mailto:michael@marx.id.au]
Sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:05
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Is: https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org going to continue to work going forward?
Yes, including all its bugs. (Or possibly migrating to something similar)
Note that for the presentation side bugs, the actual stored messages are correct (in original email format).
Empathy just does a poor job displaying them.
So there is a slim chance it may improve, or should we migrate to something equivalent, the content is good.
From: William F. Adams
Sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 03:44
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Is the OpenSCAD subreddit not forum-like enough for folks who want a forum experience to use?
https://old.reddit.com/r/openscad/
(or https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/ )
I think a mailing list is perfectly serviceable, and appreciate the work folks do to keep this list going, so long as there is an archive which can be indexed/searched and linked against. Is:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
going to continue to work going forward?
William
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hi all,
No worries, I'd think
https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/
Does well in a "forum" like setup
It is mainly for 'off-topic' activities/posts. e.g. someone may be
trying something and posting a thread of activity / build log,
soliciting comments as relevant to the activity/log. But that'd be
'spammy' even inside here.
I'd think it is ok for this to be more 'development' or 'advanced'
related stuff
On 04/10/2022 14:48, Michael Marx wrote:
In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
This was the support contact for the /OpenSCAD User community/, to the
/OpenSCAD Developer community/.
It had a Mailing-list history archive.
Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a disc and
said history was history.
As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider and
Nabble's price was right.
So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new Mailing-list
archive.
The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum posts
were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User community.
I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I took over
much of the Nabble support.
Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working with their
Admin. They were usually helpful.
Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email interface,
basically to cut costs.
Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the owners
(Franklin) attitude.
So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
Mailing-list that you want access to.
That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a survey*, but
certainly the core Developers) like emails.
They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a Forum and
scan for anything they have not seen.
That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the Developers,
it has the incidental benefit of /Community support/.
But there are many other Community support arenas available.
*Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his survey, and
listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list integrated Forum,
as I mentioned I too do like them.
But right now there are tooo many other things happening in my & the
wider world. Same for the other Admins.
If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to administer,
let me know. No promises.
MichaelAtOz
OpenSCAD Admin.
p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old Forum static,
no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I have copied
it for archival.
Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes around the
same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
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From: Michael Marx
Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Make that tomorrow...
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Andrew,
Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
Long answer a bit later today.
MichaelAtOz
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
Hi All, Admins,
I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
rather than here in a mailing list?
As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more appropriate
format than do this mailing list.
'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary, i.e. the
forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
Thanks,
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