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Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:44 AM

In message 4F669A4D.3010303@lazygranch.com, gary writes:

DC in a transformer raises the low frequency corner a bit. Obviously not
a problem in your case.

I just double-checked, because that rang a bell.  I did reinstate
the capacitors as 2.2uF films in the final article for exactly that
reason.

As for gain, I have never missed any, I get a good healthy signal,
even though I do live in the middle of a pop 30k city.

I should point out that every active device Lankford puts in the signal
chain [...]

Why are you talking about Lankford at this point ?

What I built was Fig 5 from this:

http://home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Complementary%20Push-Pull%20Amplifiers.pdf

I realize that Chris Trask started out from Lankfords design, but I don't
think it is fair to attribute the Fig 5 schematic to Lankford any more.

There's a picture of my implementation here:

http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/ChrisTraskAntenna.jpg

I feed it 15 volts on the twinax pair, pull that out of the toroids
centertap, regulated it with a 12V 3-terminal.

You can see the prototype in the top right corner.

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In message <4F669A4D.3010303@lazygranch.com>, gary writes: >DC in a transformer raises the low frequency corner a bit. Obviously not >a problem in your case. I just double-checked, because that rang a bell. I did reinstate the capacitors as 2.2uF films in the final article for exactly that reason. As for gain, I have never missed any, I get a good healthy signal, even though I do live in the middle of a pop 30k city. >I should point out that every active device Lankford puts in the signal >chain [...] Why are you talking about Lankford at this point ? What I built was Fig 5 from this: http://home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Complementary%20Push-Pull%20Amplifiers.pdf I realize that Chris Trask started out from Lankfords design, but I don't think it is fair to attribute the Fig 5 schematic to Lankford any more. There's a picture of my implementation here: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/ChrisTraskAntenna.jpg I feed it 15 volts on the twinax pair, pull that out of the toroids centertap, regulated it with a 12V 3-terminal. You can see the prototype in the top right corner. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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ehydra
Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:55 PM

gary schrieb:

Just meditating out loud, if you were to go push pull with a ferrite
antenna AND you are winding it yourself, you could avoid the biasing
resistors by putting a center tap in the antenna itself, then tie that
center tap to an appropriate bias voltage. I haven't seen this done, so
their may be a gotcha with that scheme, but the science is good.

Works with SA602. A russian web-site shows differential turns on a
ferrite rod. <tested>

Generally you will get a lower noise circuit if the input device is an
amplifier rather than a buffer.

Yep.

Lanksford's input stage is essentially a push pull buffer, but I don't
see that cancelling 2nd harmonics like a push pull amp. But for a whip,
which is a single ended input, I don't see a way to get a differential
input. Not true for a ferrite antenna.

You can transformer couple the input. Then the whip is at DC and it is
possible to let DC-current to ground. <tested>

  • Henry

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gary schrieb: > Just meditating out loud, if you were to go push pull with a ferrite > antenna AND you are winding it yourself, you could avoid the biasing > resistors by putting a center tap in the antenna itself, then tie that > center tap to an appropriate bias voltage. I haven't seen this done, so > their may be a gotcha with that scheme, but the science is good. Works with SA602. A russian web-site shows differential turns on a ferrite rod. <tested> > Generally you will get a lower noise circuit if the input device is an > amplifier rather than a buffer. Yep. > > Lanksford's input stage is essentially a push pull buffer, but I don't > see that cancelling 2nd harmonics like a push pull amp. But for a whip, > which is a single ended input, I don't see a way to get a differential > input. Not true for a ferrite antenna. You can transformer couple the input. Then the whip is at DC and it is possible to let DC-current to ground. <tested> - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info