I've been reading with interest the postings comparing the Nordhavn 43 to the Krogen 44. Being in a similar market space and similar size, it is only natural, as well as encouraged, that these comparisons take place. It is for that reason, that we would like to provide clarification with regards to our new Krogen 44'. Not wanting violate the spirit of this list and turn this into a forum for marketing and sales pitches, I am only going to clarify a few points raised and in no particular order. 1) The flybridge on the Krogen 44 is part of the one piece pilothouse/boat deck/flybridge mold and was accounted for in all calculations. As such, it is not a bolt on that can and will have an effect the stability numbers. 2) One reason the the Krogen 44' is lighter is as one reader pointed out, the displacements are measured differently; at a high level your talking about half-load vs. full load, but there's more. The Krogen 44' is also "lighter" because, as with all Krogens, she is built as a moderate displacement to length pure full displacement trawler yacht. She is solid glass below the water line (with vinylester outer skins and Kelvar reinforcements) but cored above the water line. This keeps the bulk of the weight down low and also reduces overall weight. In addition, differences in placement and attachment of bulkheads and the use of stringers as well as other construction techniques will contribute to differences in thinkness of hulls, and therefore overall weight. Might doesn't always make right. 3) The pilothouse on the Krogen 44' does have room for a fixed helm chair. Some of the photos people have seen are of 44002, prior to the completion of commissioning. There is also room for a table which is not shown in these photos. 4) While in the past many owners have choosen to cruise their Krogens coastally, that has been due to owner choice and not vessel capability. For example, while many of the 206 Krogen 42s were cruising the ICW or the Pacific Northwest, a Krogen 42 spent from 1984-1994 cruising the North Sea, Baltic Sea, the Med, the west coast of Africa, and then 2150 miles non-stop from the Cape Verde Islands to Barbados, all without stabilizers. Others were in Mexico, the Carribean, South America, and even South Africa. In closing, I encourage all readers to engage the sales staff of each builder they are considering, and when the appropriate time comes, insist on a sea trial and see for yourself on how each vessel handles in a variety of sea conditions both with the stabilizers on and off and get a feel for the sea keeping ability of each vessel in question. Respectfully submitted, Larry Polster Kadey-Krogen Yachts

Thanks for the input man well placed , stated etc. Willy Invader No1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Polster" <larry@kadeykrogen.com> To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [PUP] Krogen 44 vs Nordhavn 43 - corrections > I've been reading with interest the postings comparing the Nordhavn 43 > to the Krogen 44. Being in a similar market space and similar size, it > is only natural, as well as encouraged, that these comparisons take > place. It is for that reason, that we would like to provide > clarification with regards to our new Krogen 44'. Not wanting violate > the spirit of this list and turn this into a forum for marketing and > sales pitches, I am only going to clarify a few points raised and in no > particular order. > > > > 1) The flybridge on the Krogen 44 is part of the one piece > pilothouse/boat deck/flybridge mold and was accounted for in all > calculations. As such, it is not a bolt on that can and will have an > effect the stability numbers. > > > > 2) One reason the the Krogen 44' is lighter is as one reader > pointed out, the displacements are measured differently; at a high level > your talking about half-load vs. full load, but there's more. The > Krogen 44' is also "lighter" because, as with all Krogens, she is built > as a moderate displacement to length pure full displacement trawler > yacht. She is solid glass below the water line (with vinylester outer > skins and Kelvar reinforcements) but cored above the water line. This > keeps the bulk of the weight down low and also reduces overall weight. > In addition, differences in placement and attachment of bulkheads and > the use of stringers as well as other construction techniques will > contribute to differences in thinkness of hulls, and therefore overall > weight. Might doesn't always make right. > > > > 3) The pilothouse on the Krogen 44' does have room for a fixed > helm chair. Some of the photos people have seen are of 44002, prior to > the completion of commissioning. There is also room for a table which > is not shown in these photos. > > > > 4) While in the past many owners have choosen to cruise their > Krogens coastally, that has been due to owner choice and not vessel > capability. For example, while many of the 206 Krogen 42s were > cruising the ICW or the Pacific Northwest, a Krogen 42 spent from > 1984-1994 cruising the North Sea, Baltic Sea, the Med, the west coast of > Africa, and then 2150 miles non-stop from the Cape Verde Islands to > Barbados, all without stabilizers. Others were in Mexico, the > Carribean, South America, and even South Africa. > > > > In closing, I encourage all readers to engage the sales staff of each > builder they are considering, and when the appropriate time comes, > insist on a sea trial and see for yourself on how each vessel handles in > a variety of sea conditions both with the stabilizers on and off and get > a feel for the sea keeping ability of each vessel in question. > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > Larry Polster > > Kadey-Krogen Yachts > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List