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Robert Deering

Fri, Aug 23, 2002 8:43 PM

Greg, my vote is unpainted aluminum. With a well-designed galvanic
protection system and the proper grade of metal, corrosion is not a
problem. Initial cost MAY be higher, but longterm maintenance and
resale value more than make up for it. And who knows? When the boat's
fully worn out 70 years from now it might fetch more as recyclable
scrap than it does new now.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

Greg, my vote is unpainted aluminum. With a well-designed galvanic protection system and the proper grade of metal, corrosion is not a problem. Initial cost MAY be higher, but longterm maintenance and resale value more than make up for it. And who knows? When the boat's fully worn out 70 years from now it might fetch more as recyclable scrap than it does new now. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska

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Terry

Fri, Aug 23, 2002 10:33 PM

I have only been a boater for some 7 months now, and my experience has been with a 23' sailboat....I have been wanting to live on a boat for some time now and have decided to purchase and live on a trawler...First, however, I must educate myself a bit (quite the understatement...) on powerboats and all the intertwined systems that make up a boat...

I live in San Diego and am looking forward to my life living on a boat...have looked a 1/2 a dozen or so boats, and will continue til I find the right one...

I have enjoyed (and had my eyes opened wide) reading the emails that are being sent back on forth on all aspects of trawlers...

I will be asking questions as they arise...looks like I have very knowledgable resources here at trawlerworld...

Terry...

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I have only been a boater for some 7 months now, and my experience has been with a 23' sailboat....I have been wanting to live on a boat for some time now and have decided to purchase and live on a trawler...First, however, I must educate myself a bit (quite the understatement...) on powerboats and all the intertwined systems that make up a boat... I live in San Diego and am looking forward to my life living on a boat...have looked a 1/2 a dozen or so boats, and will continue til I find the right one... I have enjoyed (and had my eyes opened wide) reading the emails that are being sent back on forth on all aspects of trawlers... I will be asking questions as they arise...looks like I have very knowledgable resources here at trawlerworld... Terry... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

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Alex Hirsekorn

Sat, Aug 24, 2002 3:02 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Deering" deering@ak.net

Greg, my vote is unpainted aluminum. With a well-designed galvanic
protection system and the proper grade of metal, corrosion is not a
problem. Initial cost MAY be higher, but longterm maintenance and
resale value more than make up for it.

Hi Bob,

I read a piece by either Jay Benford or Michael Kasten that claimed the
higher material cost for Aluminum is mostly or even completely offset by the
lower labor expense in fabricating with it and by the savings from not
painting above the waterline.

A question about maintenance though: There was an aluminum boat at our old
marina that I would guess was between 15 and 20 years old. It looked like
hell with some sort of pitting on just about every exposed surface. Is this
sort of thing a maintenance (or lack of same) problem or is it perhaps a
case of the wrong alloy being used?

I'd also like to second the estimable Mr. Meyers opinion that corrosion
isn't nearly the concern in steel construction that it once was. Steel
construction techniques and modern coatings have advanced to the point that
maintaining a steel hull shouldn't be any more difficult than with any other
material.

Metallically yours,

Alex

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deering" <deering@ak.net> > Greg, my vote is unpainted aluminum. With a well-designed galvanic > protection system and the proper grade of metal, corrosion is not a > problem. Initial cost MAY be higher, but longterm maintenance and > resale value more than make up for it. Hi Bob, I read a piece by either Jay Benford or Michael Kasten that claimed the higher material cost for Aluminum is mostly or even completely offset by the lower labor expense in fabricating with it and by the savings from not painting above the waterline. A question about maintenance though: There was an aluminum boat at our old marina that I would guess was between 15 and 20 years old. It looked like hell with some sort of pitting on just about every exposed surface. Is this sort of thing a maintenance (or lack of same) problem or is it perhaps a case of the wrong alloy being used? I'd also like to second the estimable Mr. Meyers opinion that corrosion isn't nearly the concern in steel construction that it once was. Steel construction techniques and modern coatings have advanced to the point that maintaining a steel hull shouldn't be any more difficult than with any other material. Metallically yours, Alex

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Will Standley

Sat, Aug 24, 2002 3:42 AM

Gang,

I am considering adding a 2nd anchor to the bow of Contessa. A channel with
a roller on the end is mounted there now with a single plow on it...
controlled by a windless.

I want a longer piece of hardware/channel to hold the anchor(s) further from
the bow of the boat so it isn't so easy to bang the boat up when hauling in
the ground tackle... and I want double plow's... each with its own chain and
its own windlass.

I have been told I would have to have a shop make one for me... maybe
starting with the channel and roller you buy from West or who-ever.

Does anyone know if they are available anywhere so I don't have to do a
custom job ??

Thanks,

Will Standley
M/V Contessa
www.GeoCities.com/TheYachtContessa

Gang, I am considering adding a 2nd anchor to the bow of Contessa. A channel with a roller on the end is mounted there now with a single plow on it... controlled by a windless. I want a longer piece of hardware/channel to hold the anchor(s) further from the bow of the boat so it isn't so easy to bang the boat up when hauling in the ground tackle... and I want double plow's... each with its own chain and its own windlass. I have been told I would have to have a shop make one for me... maybe starting with the channel and roller you buy from West or who-ever. Does anyone know if they are available anywhere so I don't have to do a custom job ?? Thanks, Will Standley M/V Contessa www.GeoCities.com/TheYachtContessa

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Steven Dubnoff

Sat, Aug 24, 2002 4:56 AM

At 11:42 PM 8/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Does anyone know if they are available anywhere so I don't have to do a
custom job ??

http://www.bosunsupplies.com/Anchor_RollerTable.CFM

Has lots of single anchor rollers -- two of these can easily make a double.

Best,

Steve

Steve Dubnoff
Nauticat 40 M/S, Pyxis, in Washington
sdubnoff@circlesys.com

At 11:42 PM 8/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know if they are available anywhere so I don't have to do a >custom job ?? http://www.bosunsupplies.com/Anchor_RollerTable.CFM Has lots of single anchor rollers -- two of these can easily make a double. Best, Steve Steve Dubnoff Nauticat 40 M/S, Pyxis, in Washington sdubnoff@circlesys.com

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Russ Sherwin

Tue, Aug 27, 2002 3:52 PM

Terry:
One thing you need to take into account is that liveaboard slips are VERY
hard to come by and
usually very expensive in California. Waiting lists of 2 to 5 years are not
uncommon. Most
marinas limit their liveaboard exposure, so available slips don't translate
directly to
liveaboard slips. In San diego in particular, it is tight. Before you
commit, be sure you
have a slip. In Dana Point, just north of San Diego, the waiting list for a
40+ boat is over
5 years, and the slip costs are over $1000 per month. This is an extreme
case, and it isn't
quite as bad other places. We have been on a waiting list at Grand Marina,
Alameda, for two
years, near the top of the list, but still no phone call. We are currently
living in San
Leandro marina.
Russ

Terry: One thing you need to take into account is that liveaboard slips are VERY hard to come by and usually very expensive in California. Waiting lists of 2 to 5 years are not uncommon. Most marinas limit their liveaboard exposure, so available slips don't translate directly to liveaboard slips. In San diego in particular, it is tight. Before you commit, be sure you have a slip. In Dana Point, just north of San Diego, the waiting list for a 40+ boat is over 5 years, and the slip costs are over $1000 per month. This is an extreme case, and it isn't quite as bad other places. We have been on a waiting list at Grand Marina, Alameda, for two years, near the top of the list, but still no phone call. We are currently living in San Leandro marina. Russ

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Terry

Wed, Aug 28, 2002 8:21 PM

Thanks for the head's up...have already put my name on a couple of lists....was relying on a couple of connections here in SD to get me into a slip sooner than my slow, progressive movement up a waiting list...

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Thanks for the head's up...have already put my name on a couple of lists....was relying on a couple of connections here in SD to get me into a slip sooner than my slow, progressive movement up a waiting list... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

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