Maine Cat P-47
LAdies and Gentlemen
Snippet number 1
It is my understanding that
"somebody" is the
builder/designer. Does that mean we should not trust the
designer who
designed the dangerous steps on that boat? Then what else on the
boat is not
properly designed which we cannot see/find?
The fact that one can
override the builder and design something to their
liking makes me very
concerned since we may design something that looks good
but if passed by the
late designers Loch Crowther (Australia) or Malcolm
Tennant (NEW ZEELAND ) ,
it would be rejected as not seaworthy.
Snippet number 2
our boat will be
entirely different.
Comment
I have been working with Dick Vermeulen on
my P-47 since the beginning of 2008. WHile he is flexible for owner
preferences where it doesn't matter I can assure you he is not flexible where
he thinks it does matter. Layout of the available physical spaces is clearly
an owner option that does not compromise the basic boat design. Remember, he
is of Dutch heritage. Not just bull headed and not just hard headed but both!
Second, I believe the second snippet should be read as "the interior layout
of our boat will be entirely different." There may well be other mechanical
system differences but I am sure the boat will not be 'entirely different."
Third, the interior of the boat was not designed on 3D Cad nor was an interior
mockup built. It was sketched in plan and elevation. ANd those of you who are
engineers, archtects or designers understand the limitations of that. Moxie,
the first boat, was a prototype for the interior layout and the current
standard design has many changes. I visited it a week or two after it was
launched and Vermeulen pointed out that the steps needed modification and
future boats would have modified stairs.
I wanted many system modifications
to my boat and have had vigourous discussions about them with Dick, and while
I am an engineer by trade I do not have vast experience in yacht building. We
have reached amicable agreements on what would and wouldn't be changed. I
believe he will incoporate many of our agreed changes in future boats or offer
them as options. I am convinced he is a prudent and knowledgeable Catamaran
designer but, as a small builder he does not have sophisticated design
software for the interior layout or for mechanical and electrical systems.
Although I know there are CAD drawings for the hulls and other fiberglass
components since the coring comes computer cut from the supplier. Finally, he
is learning lessons boat by boat and owner by owner and I believe each future
boat will be better and incorproate clever and cost effective ideas brought by
previous owners.
In summary, I think we have careless words flying around
and some jumping to conclusions or opinion expressing that stretches beyond
what is truly justified by all of the facts.
Gary Hagstrom
building
Crackerjack a Maine Cat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
snippets 1 & 2. when i mentioned " ... ours will be entirely different", i
was only refering to the "interior" parts as we were discussing nothing but
the interior parts (stairways).
starting in 2006 we began looking for a power catamaran that followed malcom
tennant's seaworthy design philosophy yet at the same time could be a home ...
not just a camping experience. our ideas on what a boat should have on it
were modified and improved by the advice of pat reischmann. pat introduced us
to the enclosed shaft system and several technical refinements in electrical
management, to name a few. we've found dick vermeulen basically open-minded
and cooperative. i agree with gary's observations about maine cat's in-house
deficiencies in 3D CAD, etc. this past year we've bought and used lots of
quadrille paper!
i was tickled by gary's remarks about dick vermeulen being both "dutch" and
"hard headed". i think i may have come into this with a big advantage: my
father started life as a gangster, i was in politics for awhile, and i once
owned a home in curacao where my neighbors were the van gils, van de lubbe's,
draaks, and the van den bergs. when we traveled off the island we left our
pets with evelyn vermeulen!
in my next visit to maine cat i want to see how gary's instruments are
organized on his flybridge. i might copy.
glenn cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hagstrom ghagstrom@yahoo.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 12:46 am
Subject: [PCW] Maine Cat P-47
LAdies and Gentlemen
Snippet number 1
It is my understanding that
somebody" is the
uilder/designer. Does that mean we should not trust the
esigner who
esigned the dangerous steps on that boat? Then what else on the
oat is not
roperly designed which we cannot see/find?
The fact that one can
verride the builder and design something to their
iking makes me very
oncerned since we may design something that looks good
ut if passed by the
ate designers Loch Crowther (Australia) or Malcolm
ennant (NEW ZEELAND ) ,
t would be rejected as not seaworthy.
nippet number 2
our boat will be
ntirely different.
omment
have been working with Dick Vermeulen on
y P-47 since the beginning of 2008. WHile he is flexible for owner
references where it doesn't matter I can assure you he is not flexible where
e thinks it does matter. Layout of the available physical spaces is clearly
n owner option that does not compromise the basic boat design. Remember, he
s of Dutch heritage. Not just bull headed and not just hard headed but both!
econd, I believe the second snippet should be read as "the interior layout
f our boat will be entirely different." There may well be other mechanical
ystem differences but I am sure the boat will not be 'entirely different."
hird, the interior of the boat was not designed on 3D Cad nor was an interior
ockup built. It was sketched in plan and elevation. ANd those of you who are
ngineers, archtects or designers understand the limitations of that. Moxie,
he first boat, was a prototype for the interior layout and the current
tandard design has many changes. I visited it a week or two after it was
aunched and Vermeulen pointed out that the steps needed modification and
uture boats would have modified stairs.
wanted many system modifications
o my boat and have had vigourous discussions about them with Dick, and while
am an engineer by trade I do not have vast experience in yacht building. We
ave reached amicable agreements on what would and wouldn't be changed. I
elieve he will incoporate many of our agreed changes in future boats or offer
hem as options. I am convinced he is a prudent and knowledgeable Catamaran
esigner but, as a small builder he does not have sophisticated design
oftware for the interior layout or for mechanical and electrical systems.
lthough I know there are CAD drawings for the hulls and other fiberglass
omponents since the coring comes computer cut from the supplier. Finally, he
s learning lessons boat by boat and owner by owner and I believe each future
oat will be better and incorproate clever and cost effective ideas brought by
revious owners.
n summary, I think we have careless words flying around
nd some jumping to conclusions or opinion expressing that stretches beyond
hat is truly justified by all of the facts.
ary Hagstrom
uilding
rackerjack a Maine Cat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
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