Hi, Bob, I'm sorry that I've evidently struck a nerve here, and that you felt compelled to defend some people and where they went to schooI. I don't know any of these people's credentials and it wasn't my intent to single anyone out. Just expressing an opinion. John "Seahorse" Reply to: John@Camm.us In a message dated 1/14/05 2:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, thataway4@cox.net writes: People so affected were Art Defever, Bill Garden, Dave Perry, Bill Trip Sr. and Tom Lexas. Also my friend's designs were passed on to others and modifed with out his approval (or any royalities being paid). Look to the boats built in Asia.