My copy of this message contained the Happy99.exe file which is infected with the Happy 99 Worm Virus. I was able to delete the virus before it had a chance to do anything. I recommend that others do the same without trying to execute the attachment. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 1:00 AM To: trawler-world-list-digest@samurai.com Subject: trawler-world-list V2 #122 trawler-world-list Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 122 report on dry run of West Coast July Cruise Oil Changes Oil and Your Engine Re: Searchable archives RE: Your 40' Tolly Re: Searchable archives Re: Reasonable Estimate Variance Re: John Deere engine, how to buy. Re: Sailboat to Trawler Conversions, WTP No more GM / DD 2 stroke diesels Mem. daly cruise and holding tank woes Re: Oil Changes Marguerite Northbound on the ICW -- Memorial Day Re: No more GM / DD 2 stroke diesels Oil additives Oil additives Re: Oil additives RE: Oil additives Re: Oil additives/Happy 99 Re: Oil additives *** PROBLEM! *** RE: Virus RE: Top 10 trawlers Re: PMS-Liftout/Re-launch Re: Oil additives Oil Additive Super Max Wireless Data Access Site Surprise Oil Analysis source ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:08:33 -0700 From: Jim Baumgart <baumgart@starrstuff.com> Subject: report on dry run of West Coast July Cruise Hello all, we are just returned from a great 3 day cruise San Diego - Two Harbors (Catalina) - Dana Point - San Diego. We departed San Diego (Chula Vista Marina) at 5 AM Friday will full fuel, full water, lots of food and toys, and no working autopilot. It was to be our longest passage to date. The hardest part was getting out of the marina and through the south bay channel in the dark. I was looking forward to a sunrise on the water but we never saw one, just endless grey skies and dark water. We saw lots of dolphins and bait fish and even saw barracuda leaping out of the water in the Pt. Loma kelp, but we didn't have time to wet a hook. We were looking at a 7 hour trip at 12 knots and we were not stopping unless an Albacore jumped in the boat. We actually made 12.5 knots most of the way, at 2200 RPM on the twin Cats. We pushed it to 14 knots once in the lee of the island because wife and 1 child were seasick - I wanted to get them on land. We discovered that my wife steers better than I, and it is very hard to hand steer for more than 2 hours or keep it within 10 degrees, and that the longest passage seems short if you can sleep a lot. I always start and finish and she steers the middle while I sleep or play with the kids. We were lucky and arrived at 2 Harbors by noon, it was a beautiful sunny day and we got a mooring for the 3 day weekend! It was very crowded but fun, and the kids loved playing on the beach, dancing every night with glow-in-the-dark necklaces, and hiking the island. The water was 62F so swims were short. We went fishing one day and so we burned off a little more fuel than I would like so we wanted to fill up before returning. Diesel at Two Harbors (or Avalon ) is $2.35/gallon! So instead we came home via Dana Point, it's only 42 miles from Two Harbors, and fuel was only $1/gallon (I pay $0.85 in San Diego). We put 179 gallons on board. Dana to San Diego was 56 miles and then 12 miles to Chula Vista for a run of 110 miles today. We left Two Harbors at 5 AM and were in the slip at 3 PM. We cleaned up, unloaded, washed down, and were eating California Rolls and Goyoza by 5:30 PM. We were able to run nearly 15 knots coming home, with a quite strong wind and waves behind us all the way, still at 2200 RPM. The wind blew us into the slip so hard after we were in and I jumped out to help tie up I thought I left the drives in forward gear somehow! We had a lot of fun and now a run of 40 to 50 miles seems easy. Another thing I learned is that if you have the power to run at 12 to 15 knots it's hard not to use it just for range and mpg. Obviously, when we run from Two Harbors to Santa Cruz Island via Santa Barbara Island, it will be different, we will need to conserve fuel. But we didn't really need it today. West Coast Cruise Please join us for a totally unofficial and 100% fun cruise July 12 - 25. Come for all or part! Families with kids wanted. We will be having a birthday in Emerald Bay (Heidi will be 8). Trawlers, sailors, or row boats are welcome (actually, I've never been aboard a real cruising sailboat). We will meet in Emerald Bay July 12 through July 14. Fill up with that expensive fuel and to Coaches Preitos on Santa Cruze Island July 15 - 19. Ventura Harbor July 19 - 20. Marina del Rey July 21 - 22. Dana Point July 23 - 24. Home to San Diego July 25. By the way, we are cruisers, and fisherman, swimmers, hikers, a happy family on the water, not a gold plated yacht nor a boat full of wild yahoos. Hope to see you there! * JimB Jim Baumgart <")))>>< (760)749-4257 San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:22:11 -0400 From: "Bob Kisko" <rkisko@yourlink.net> Subject: Oil Changes I find the continuing discussion of oil very interesting. However, I haven't seen anything on the formation or prevention of sludge. I assume there is a detergent in modern oils that prevents this, but what happens when the oil is not changed for extended periods? A few years ago a friend had engine problems with a relatively new car. The dealer dropped the pan and said the engine was packed with sludge caused by her failing to change the oil and filters regularly. Is there any risk of this occurring with bypass filters and regular analysis? Bob Kisko, Between Boats in Florida (407) 456-5693, Fax(407) 459-5063 rkisko@yourlink,net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:36:24 -0400 From: "Maurice Marwood" <aepmem@bahamas.net.bs> Subject: Oil and Your Engine Other good publications available from your friendly Caterpillar dealer include: "CG-4 Oil" - Form # LEDQ7315-01 "Optimizing Oil Change Intervals" Form # PEDP7035 "Caterpillar Filters vs Fleetguard Filters" Form # PEWP3053 "The Inside Story - Caterpillar Fuel and Oil Filters" Form # LEDQ6225 You may also wish to check www.Cat.com for more useful information about the care and feeding of your engines. Maurie (Currently Looking for a Good Used Trawler about 30-35') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:35 EDT From: WBusselle@aol.com Subject: Re: Searchable archives Who is samurai.com? If TWL is paying them for Hosting is TWL not in a position to request a download and offline news-read capability? Wayne Busselle Journey / Prairie 29 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:34:52 -0700 From: Joe Engel <joe@jre.com> Subject: RE: Your 40' Tolly Hi Mike: Based upon your comments below, I would suggest that a Tollycraft is NOT what you would want. Tollycraft is not a trawler in the sense that most of the folks on this list view a trawler. Actually it's not a trawler from my viewpoint either. The Tollycraft is a planing hull design. It performs awkwardly at anything below 6 knots and usually runs up to a maximum speed of 25 kts. It is a very heavy design for it's style and so most Tollys get very poor fuel economy, especially with gasoline engines. Our 1973 model with twin 440 CI gasoline engines gets about 1/2 MPG at 15 kts. If you true desire is to putt along at 6 - 8 kts and get good long range fuel economy then the Tollycraft would be poor choice. The Tollycraft is a heavy, Pacific Coastal Cruiser and is very seaworthy and seakindly (compared to more modern designed, comparable vessels). It was designed to run in the Pacific Coast in tough weather conditions. It is ideal for us because we are not retired and because we have to get back to work each Monday morning, our cruising range would be very strictly limited at 6 - 8 kts. 'But in the Seattle area, a Tollycraft at speed makes the whole San Juan, Vancouver Island, Gulf Islands, etc accessible even on a normal weekend..... if you can afford the fuel. For example we are going to make a fast dash from Portland, up the West Coast for the Tollycraft shindig in Roche Harbor in a few weeks. 2 days up, 2 days back (weather permitting) plus time to snoop around a bit. We have to do this on a 2 week vacation. You can't do that with a full displacement boat. (many would argue "who would want to?") But we can afford the $1,000.00 in gasoline this will cost but we cannot afford the additional time. When we do retire, we will be looking towards a more economical, long range, single diesel design. I just read Beuhler's new book and now I'm all cranked up about Diesel Ducks. Hope this helps! Joe & Debbie Engel Marine Computer Services & JRE Consulting, Inc. MV Freda Fly - 40' Tollycraft Tri-cabin Portland, OR - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Baker [mailto:bizcampus@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 8:57 PM To: Joe Engel Subject: Your 40' Tolly Joe & Debbie.... I have noticed your posts to trawler world. My wife and I are trying to decide what we really want in a trawler. We have a small sailboat that we would keep for the fun of day sailing. We have looked at a 40 Tolly tri-cabin and like the style, reputation and room inside. I wonder if you would share your likes and dislikes. We have considered a Tolly 34 tri-cabin or a 34 to 38 CHB or other Taiwan product. I am very sensitive to getting good fuel economy so don't care if it tops at 12 knots.... would probable cruise most of the time at 8 knots or under. What is your experience with gas VS diesel? We live in Kirkland WA but travel to Portland quite often. Most of our cruising would be in the sound and north to the San Juan's. Thanks for your help!! Mike Baker - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Engel <joe@jre.com> To: 'Trawler World List' <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Re :Short and Conclusive Report on cell phone email ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:52:19 -0400 From: "John Gaquin" <jgaquin@ici.net> Subject: Re: Searchable archives >Who is samurai.com? If TWL is paying them for Hosting..<< Wayne.... Samurai is, as far as I know, the list Host. I am not personally involved in whatever business arrangements exist between samurai.com and Trawler World. Sorry I can't answer your question. Regards, John Gaquin "Brefnie Queen" 32' Luhrs TWList Help Team ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: MarkOrSusanneR <richter-pooh@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Reasonable Estimate Variance <<You are right on the money about the work being done for the most part by what in the old days were called apprentices who were earnest young men learning the trade. The fledglings in Drew's yard are just a notch above hamburger slingers and yet the boatyard owners have no qualms about billing for them at $65/hr.>> Peter, You are correct that boatyard owners have no shame about charging premium rates for novice workmen's time. It's even worse when you are a cruiser traveling through an area, and they know you won't be around to complain about substandard work next week. I call this the 50 mile warrantee (nearly universal along the ICW). == Mark Richter, M.E., aboard M/V Winnie the Pooh custom Morgan 46 Trawler. Homeport Stuart, FL Heading N to Lake Champlain for the summer, now in Easton, MD "Mark's Mobile Marine" Electrical systems & Max anchors. "Susanne's Canvas Creations" boat canvas & crafts. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: MarkOrSusanneR <richter-pooh@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: John Deere engine, how to buy. Paul, I bought my John Deere 80 hp engine direct from the distributor in Ocala, FL, rather than through a dealer. This gives you much better bargaining position, as you've cut out one layer of markup. It helped ,also, to have shopped and gotten a firm (lower) price on a 90 hp Daytona engine. The first Deere price was just over $1000 more than the larger Daytona. After a few calls and conversations, the Deere dist. sold me the Deere for $1 less than the Daytona price. I paid about $9150 plus sales tax for the engine and transmission, just over two years ago from: CK Power Products Corp. of Florida, Ocala, FL (904) 237-7660. I hope this helps in your search for the perfect engine for the "small tri". Mark Richter, Winnie the Pooh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: MarkOrSusanneR <richter-pooh@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Sailboat to Trawler Conversions, WTP Paul Kruse wrote: <<You say that a sailboat of this size is simply too much for you and your wife to handle in bad weather. I'm curious to know why you did not just take the approach that you would drop the sails and treat it like a trawler when the seas got bad? That would save the problem of having to convert a sailboat to a trawler in the first place. I have a hunch that your answer will be more interesting than to simply say you wanted to get through the French canal system. :-)>> Paul, We just wanted to be able to get through the French canals, and the Erie canal, and the Champlain canal, and maybe the great circle route, and up a lot of major rivers that have fixed bridges about two miles upstream of the ICW. Also, we were on a budget, and a hurricane wrecked boat is a lot cheaper than one with rig intact. Initially, when we bought the boat for $30k, we planned to be back in the water for an additional $20k; but that was before we decided to replace the engine and driveline, and a whole bunch of other changes to make the boat better than it had to be. As I said before, the total came out to $50k in materials and supplies, plus $30k for the boat. Mark Richter, Winnie the Pooh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:09:55 -0700 From: Joe Engel <joe@jre.com> Subject: No more GM / DD 2 stroke diesels This may be old news to all of you diesel devotees out there. But I was surprised to hear that Detroit Diesel ceased commercial production of all 2 stroke based diesels as of 12/31/98. DD will still make some of these to fulfill military obligations. They will still make parts to fulfill military and commercial obligations and there are still some unsold new models in the distribution channel. But no more new commercial production. So, that's the end of an amazing era. All the "Screamin' Jimmies", all of the 2/71 - 12V71 that were made and are still used. I think George Buehler mentioned in his book that there were 3 million of these out there in the world. Does that mean the end of 2 stroke diesels worldwide?? Or are there still some being made out there at other manufacturers? Joe & Debbie Engel Marine Computer Services & JRE Computer Consulting, Inc. MV Freda Fly - 40' Tollycraft Tri-cabin Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:23:25 -0400 From: Steve Smith <Ssmith@arlington.k12.va.us> Subject: Mem. daly cruise and holding tank woes Hi, Just a brief report on a great memorial weekend cruise. Started Harrington Harbor North, Deal Md. on Sat. Morning, and met Marcie T just outside #1 marker. We traveled together to Knapps narrows for lunch, and then up the Choptank river to Island Creek for a n evening raftup, the first for either of us. Saturday morning found us in our dinghys exploring creeks and trying to get close to some beautiful wild swans. We left at noon, and traveled up to Cambridge to explore the old city. We moored in the open area just before the drawbridge, but Marcie T had no gen, and needed airconditioning, as the daytime high reached 90 degrees We met for lunch and dinner. , so they used the local yacht basin.We backed over our dingy painter, and got to meet a local diver who unwound it for us, and reminded us of an old lesson we had forgotten about floating painters. We explored the old and largelly unspoiled victorian town, and were just delighted with it. Monday morning found us exploring the upper Choptank, and then returning to Island creek for a lunch raftup. Along tlhe way we met Yankee Doodle, a felow MTOA member, and chatted a bit. The return to harrington ws tiring because a sea had built and we had to roll our way back up the 12 or so miles from the choptank. however the overall prognosis for captain and admiral was great, and we'ed do it again in a moment. Holding tank woes. If you've gotten this far, then you've gotten to my main reason for writing. On the way home, we noticed that our bilge pumpout was looking remarkably like holding tank effluent. It was. The forward head input comes in through an elbow, which had broken at the right angle. The tank is of fiber glass, and zi don't know whether the elbow is glassed in place, orlwhether it can be screwed off and replaced. Any othe Marine trader owners who have suffered throught this know the answer? I'll await your reply. and thanks! Steve and Dayna Smith Marine Trader 34DC "Partner's - Ship" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:33:20 -0400 From: "Wil Andrews" <captnwil@coastalnet.com> Subject: Re: Oil Changes Bob Kisko asks if there is danger in building up sludge in the crankcase if a bypass filter is used and the oil is not changed for long periods of time. To keep this short, sludge is caused by contaminates in the oil. If oil change intervals are extended for any reason, formal oil analysis is necessary. That analysis will tell you when to change the oil because it will determine all of the contaminates, including those that can cause sludge. CaptnWil 40 Pier Pointe New Bern NC 29562 (252) 636-3601 captnwil@coastalnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:05:24 -0400 From: "HAWK (RGH CARROLL)" <RGHC3@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> Subject: Marguerite Northbound on the ICW -- Memorial Day Hi everyone. We are in Coinjock. For those of you that travel the ICW you know all about this place. For those of you that do not it best to let your imagination run wild. No not really... Coinjock is know for very large steaks in the restaurant; fly swatters and cheap fuel although today not as cheap as Alligator River Marina. It is just a long dock with fuel pumps, powers, cable TV and water. Not much else. We arrived here around noon after a sloppy crossing of Albemarle Sound. Wind was from SW which gives it the longest fetch of any wind direction. Blowing up to 20 mph so the seas were 2-3 but on the back quarter and beam. So in Marguerite that means lots of rolling. Put on the autopilot and just sat back. Except for crab pots which I had no problem avoiding( they are part of cruising folks. Get use to them!!!) I hardly touched the wheel. It has been a very full week of relatively short trips each day. Made for a very easy time. Beaufort to Oriental NC. We tied up at Whittaker Creek Yatch Harbor... a Boat US Marina and a great rate for the night. This is sailing country and we certainly could tell here... only about ten percent of all the boats here were power. The docks are adequate and facilities great!! They had a car we could use to go to town. The surprise of the day was when someone came knocking on the boat. It was a fellow Trawler List member who had tracked us down to meet and greet. His name was Fred Peter. He and his wife, Jan, sailors now, trawlers owners in the future, took the afternoon to drive around Oriental and find us. Great fun and we really enjoyed the visit. Thanks Fred and Jan. >FromOrient we ran up to Bellhaven, staying at Dowry Creek Marina. What a great facility. Pool and a great dock. They too had a car we could use to go to town for dinner at the Helmsman. Outstanding food... we both had soft shells and they tasted great!!! In the a.m. it was off to Alligator River and our fueling stop for the trip. Well worth holding off. Fuel was 59 cents per gallon. We stayed over night at 50 cents a foot. Had a great run up the Alligator River Pungo River Canal. Saw a fantastic looking bald eagle!!! For you computer fans all the marina we have stayed at this past week have dedicated lines for computer users except for Alligator River Marina. Tuesday it is off to the end of the ICW and Norfolk and the Big "C". We are looking forward to it. Has been a great time and we have meet some wonderful, wonderful folks who use the "ditch" to move back and forth. For those of you who ask why not the Great Dismal Swamp route, we are saving that for the trip back. Cheers to all, Bob and Joann Marguerite Northbound on the ICW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:04:12 -0400 From: Al Pilvinis <yourcaptain@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: No more GM / DD 2 stroke diesels >So, that's the end of an amazing era. All the "Screamin' Jimmies", all of >the 2/71 - 12V71 that were made and are still used. I think George Buehler >mentioned in his book that there were 3 million of these out there in the >world. > >Does that mean the end of 2 stroke diesels worldwide?? Or are there still >some being made out there at other manufacturers? > >Joe & Debbie Engel >Marine Computer Services & JRE Computer Consulting, Inc. >MV Freda Fly - 40' Tollycraft Tri-cabin >Portland, OR ======================================================== Someone in the company woke up and realized how dirty and stinky their product was and shut down the line. Al . > > Captain Al Pilvinis "M/V Driftwood"-Prairie 47 2630 N.E. 41st Street Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064 Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666 Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:22:13 -0500 From: "Jim Monahan" <jmonah@ktxh.com> Subject: Oil additives