Forum Issues
General boat focused issues are poor topics to kick around on this
forum. Not because of any philosophical grounds or because of any
supposed guidelines from the admin, but simply because this forum has
about 1/10 the number of participants as the Trawlers and Trawlering forum.
The result is that there are far, far fewer people and expertise to
contribute to the discussion. The lightning issue is a case in point.
Regards,
Mike
Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)
Good point Mike.
I'm new here. If it hasn't already been done 50 times, can whoever the forum
administrator is give a short description of this list, and contrast it with
the T&T list?
My apologies if I've contributed to pushing things off-topic.
-Ken W
Nordhavn68.com
-----Original Message-----
General boat focused issues are poor topics to kick around on this
forum. Not because of any philosophical grounds or because of any
supposed guidelines from the admin, but simply because this forum has
about 1/10 the number of participants as the Trawlers and Trawlering forum.
The result is that there are far, far fewer people and expertise to
contribute to the discussion. The lightning issue is a case in point.
Regards,
Mike
So Mike, what would you have us discuss. I think exchanging rum cake recipes
would be out of line but types of rum on the poop deck at sunset 500 miles
offshore would not be. This is by far my favorite list, and the last several
days have been absolutely invigorating. We've offended people, ridiculed
entire groups of people, made rude remarks about animals abilties, and got
folks talking about voyaging boats, that's way cool. Let's not stifle it
with constrictions.
From: "Ken Williams" kenw@seanet.com
Reply-To: kenw@seanet.com, Passagemaking Under Power
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To: "'Passagemaking Under Power
List'"passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PUP] Forum Issues
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:55:40 -0700
Good point Mike.
I'm new here. If it hasn't already been done 50 times, can whoever the forum
administrator is give a short description of this list, and contrast it with
the T&T list?
My apologies if I've contributed to pushing things off-topic.
-Ken W
Nordhavn68.com
-----Original Message-----
General boat focused issues are poor topics to kick around on this
forum. Not because of any philosophical grounds or because of any
supposed guidelines from the admin, but simply because this forum has
about 1/10 the number of participants as the Trawlers and Trawlering forum.
The result is that there are far, far fewer people and expertise to
contribute to the discussion. The lightning issue is a case in point.
Regards,
Mike
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So Mike, what would you have us discuss. I think exchanging rum cake recipes
Bob,
You don't listen good. It's immaterial to me what gets posted. But, this
forum is really small, which means if someone wants answers there are
about 1/10 as many people who are likely to contribute. The quality of
some of the technical answers reflects that lack of number of contributors.
There is no harm in posting here, but many of the newcomers may not
realize how small the contributing list is.
Mike
Correct, I don't listen to good, but how can this forum increase that number
if we restrict the corriculum. And why is what gets posted immeterial to
you, surely it matters to the rest of us, it does to me. I am not planning a
serious "passage" for the near future, but it's in the works and I would
like to have as much input about things in general, pertaining to
passagemaking, as I can assimilate. I'll weed out the "junk" myself, as I
see fit, as most folks would do. I enjoy reading your posts, on this and
other forums, you are a wealth of knowledge, thank you. Keep it coming, here
and there !
From: Mike Maurice mikem@yachtsdelivered.com
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To: Passagemaking Under Power
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Subject: Re: [PUP] Forum Issues
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:46:33 -0700
So Mike, what would you have us discuss. I think exchanging rum cake
recipes
Bob,
You don't listen good. It's immaterial to me what gets posted. But, this
forum is really small, which means if someone wants answers there are
about 1/10 as many people who are likely to contribute. The quality of
some of the technical answers reflects that lack of number of contributors.
There is no harm in posting here, but many of the newcomers may not
realize how small the contributing list is.
Mike
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In fairness to both Mike and Ken, here is the focus of the list:
Dealing with the issues of Passagemaking under power, taking a boat a great
distance, being self sufficient, addressing the unique aspects of this long
distance voyaging under power.
People have asked:
Is it a passage if I never loose sight of land? Certainly, if your voyaging
down the coast of Mexico, Central or South America, China, Russia, British
Columbia or Alaska, where help could be 200, 400, perhaps a thousand miles
away, that's a Passage. If your in New Zealand or Australia, you might be
within the sight of land, but very much alone, requiring a degree of self
sufficiency not associated with coastal cruising.
Is it passagemaking if I cross an ocean? Of course!
Is it appropriate to talk about provisioning for a long voyage? Of course,
especially when the topic is how to maintain food stores for long periods,
now to store, inventory and retrieve them...
Is it appropriate to talk about fishing? Certainly, in the context of what
can you expect to catch in the open ocean? Should I get a fishing license
if I'm 50 miles of the coast? If I catch and eat the fish right away do I
need a license? Are there fish that can make me sick...
Is it appropriate to talk about medical issues or insurance? Of course,
especially in the context of a cruise outside U.S. waters, or a cruising
couple trying to get insurance.
Is it appropriate to talk about Lightning? Of course, especially if the
context is since I'm in the middle of an ocean, and CAN NOT tolerate a
complete failure of my propulsion system, what are my options. A general
discussion of lightning would probably be better held in the T&T forum where
more experienced individuals may share their thoughts.
So, almost any topic is appropriate, if it's in the context of long distance
voyaging. It doesn't have to involve crossing an ocean, but if oceans are
crossed, it's certainly a passage!
Oh, again, a CRITICAL thing, it's Passagemaking under POWER, meaning stinky
ole Diesel motors (or gas if that's your fancy!), not sail.
Hope this helps,
Scott, PUP List admin
I thought you might be interested in this extract from an article by the UK
Marine Accident Investigation Branch (MAIB). These articles are published in
a digest at intervals - this one is taken from 3/2006. Draw your own
conclusions.
"Meanwhile, on board the cargo ship, the OOW felt the collision with the
fishing vessel and, after his initial shock, called the master to the
bridge. No general alarm was sounded on the ship to alert the crew that
their vessel had been in a collision; instead, the mate was called to check
the ship for damage as she continued through the sea with her speed
unabated. Soon after the collision, the cargo ship's signal disappeared from
the Automatic Identification System (AIS) as she carried on for several
miles. However, her AIS signal was logged and recorded onshore, allowing the
coastguard to identify the vessel; after about 30 minutes they succeeded in
contacting her on VHF, whereupon she turned and went back to assist the
fishing vessel. Soon after this, her AIS signal came back on again."
"Following their investigation of the incident, the cargo ship flag state
authority (not revealed in the article) revoked both the captain and the
third officer's certificates of competency, and issued the captain a
substantial fine."
Digests at -
http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/safety_digests.cfm
Full reports at -
http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports.cfm
BTW - I understand that DHS did not want an off switch for AIS!
Roger Bingham
France