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Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

KP
Ken Peek
Wed, Feb 11, 2015 5:35 PM

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV scale. Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas?
TM
Todd Micallef
Wed, Feb 11, 2015 6:46 PM

A Data Proof scanner seems to be the standard of some primary labs. They
don't show up often on the auction site.

This company makes one that fits the front of a 732B. I have never seen it
in use.

http://www.hpd-online.com/reversing_switch.php

There also appears to be a Guildline 9600 up for auction. It is misspelled
Guideline. I don't know the specs of that item, I have just noticed it has
been listed for a while.

Some of the Keithley instruments take "low thermal" cards, but they are not
reversible as far as I can tell. You might be able to do so with two
separate inputs. It is a Keithley 7168 nanovolt scanner card. If you can
get one, I am pretty sure you can plug it into a 7001/7002 scanner.

A home made switch might be cheaper if you can source some good low thermal
latching relays.

Todd

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Peek ken.peek@diligentminds.com
wrote:

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?


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A Data Proof scanner seems to be the standard of some primary labs. They don't show up often on the auction site. This company makes one that fits the front of a 732B. I have never seen it in use. http://www.hpd-online.com/reversing_switch.php There also appears to be a Guildline 9600 up for auction. It is misspelled Guideline. I don't know the specs of that item, I have just noticed it has been listed for a while. Some of the Keithley instruments take "low thermal" cards, but they are not reversible as far as I can tell. You might be able to do so with two separate inputs. It is a Keithley 7168 nanovolt scanner card. If you can get one, I am pretty sure you can plug it into a 7001/7002 scanner. A home made switch might be cheaper if you can source some good low thermal latching relays. Todd On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Peek <ken.peek@diligentminds.com> wrote: > I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. > Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to > work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that > scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV > scale. > > Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF > switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to > reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
Михаил
Wed, Feb 11, 2015 7:05 PM

The most noiseless and stable nullmeter is any of the EM Electronics nanovoltmeter.
Even the oldest EM N1a I have, gives about 1 nV p-p noise and <1 pA input current.

Regards,
Mickle

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张利民
Fri, Feb 13, 2015 1:40 AM

Dear Ken Peek,
I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards.
http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html
lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
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发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35
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主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?


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Dear Ken Peek, I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards. http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html lymex/bg2vo >-----邮件原件----- >发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek >发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35 >收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards > >I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. >Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to >work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that >scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV >scale. > >Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF >switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to >reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas? > >_______________________________________________ >volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >and follow the instructions there.
MK
M K
Fri, Feb 13, 2015 6:44 AM

On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote:

Dear Ken Peek,
I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards.
http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html
lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek
发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35
收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com
主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?

Hi Lymex,

Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google
translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in
the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess
I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box
would not stream for me.

On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote: > Dear Ken Peek, > I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards. > http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html > lymex/bg2vo > >> -----邮件原件----- >> 发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek >> 发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35 >> 收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >> 主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards >> >> I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. >> Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to >> work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that >> scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV >> scale. >> >> Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF >> switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to >> reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas? Hi Lymex, Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box would not stream for me.
张利民
Mon, Feb 16, 2015 6:45 AM

Hi M K,

Sorry about that, I have posted a new thread on EEVBLOG with added photos.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/diy-low-thermal-emf-switchscanner-for-comparisons-of-voltage-and-resistor-stand/

lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 M K
发送时间: 2015年2月13日 14:45
收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com
主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote:

Dear Ken Peek,
I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards.
http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html

lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek
发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35
收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com
主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?

Hi Lymex,

Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google
translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in
the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess
I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box
would not stream for me.


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Hi M K, Sorry about that, I have posted a new thread on EEVBLOG with added photos. http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/diy-low-thermal-emf-switchscanner-for-comparisons-of-voltage-and-resistor-stand/ lymex/bg2vo >-----邮件原件----- >发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 M K >发送时间: 2015年2月13日 14:45 >收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards >On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote: >> Dear Ken Peek, >> I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards. >> http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html > lymex/bg2vo >> >>> -----邮件原件----- >>> 发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek >>> 发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35 >>> 收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >>> 主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards >>> >>> I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. >>> Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to >>> work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that >>> scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV >>> scale. >>> >>> Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF >>> switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to >>> reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas? >Hi Lymex, > >Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google >translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in >the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess >I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box >would not stream for me. > > >_______________________________________________ >volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >and follow the instructions there.
MK
M K
Mon, Feb 16, 2015 7:25 AM

On 16/02/2015 06:45, 张利民 wrote:

Hi M K,

Sorry about that, I have posted a new thread on EEVBLOG with added photos.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/diy-low-thermal-emf-switchscanner-for-comparisons-of-voltage-and-resistor-stand/

lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 M K
发送时间: 2015年2月13日 14:45
收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com
主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards
On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote:

Dear Ken Peek,
I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards.
http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html

lymex/bg2vo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek
发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35
收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com
主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards

I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter.
Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to
work on batteries.  It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that
scale.  I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV
scale.

Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF
switch [or relay]?  This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to
reverse the connection to the meter.  Ideas?

Hi Lymex,

Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google
translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in
the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess
I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box
would not stream for me.

Hi Lymex,

Amazing lab you have there. Thanks.

M K

On 16/02/2015 06:45, 张利民 wrote: > Hi M K, > > Sorry about that, I have posted a new thread on EEVBLOG with added photos. > http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/diy-low-thermal-emf-switchscanner-for-comparisons-of-voltage-and-resistor-stand/ > > lymex/bg2vo > >> -----邮件原件----- >> 发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 M K >> 发送时间: 2015年2月13日 14:45 >> 收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >> 主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards >> On 13/02/2015 01:40, 张利民 wrote: >>> Dear Ken Peek, >>> I designed a powerless automatic 2*4 low thermal EMF switch for 3458A, 34401A and 34420A(works also on my R6581T and 1281). It performs great and I use it as my main comparison tool for 10V and 10k standards. >>> http://bbs.38hot.net/thread-1186-1-1.html >> lymex/bg2vo >>>> -----邮件原件----- >>>> 发件人: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] 代表 Ken Peek >>>> 发送时间: 2015年2月12日 1:35 >>>> 收件人: volt-nuts@febo.com >>>> 主题: Re: [volt-nuts] Calibration of voltage standards >>>> >>>> I forgot to mention that I also own a PPM Inc. Model AVM-100 null meter. >>>> Works great on AC but I need to replace the NiCd batteries for it to >>>> work on batteries. It has a 1uV scale, and it is a bit noisy on that >>>> scale. I intend to modify it to get batter 1/f noise specs on the 1uV >>>> scale. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know where I can get [or how to make] a low-thermal-EMF >>>> switch [or relay]? This would need to be a DPDT type to be able to >>>> reverse the connection to the meter. Ideas? >> Hi Lymex, >> >> Great idea. I will have to spend some time looking over the google >> translate version of your text, as unfortunately it seems that here in >> the United Kingdom we cannot see any in line images from 38hot. I guess >> I would have to sign up to see them? And even the video of your box >> would not stream for me. Hi Lymex, Amazing lab you have there. Thanks. M K