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Re: [volt-nuts] 3458A Zero reading

RM
Richard Moore
Tue, Jul 28, 2015 8:26 PM

Randy — not sure why you feel the need for shielded wire for DC measurements, especially if you turn the LP filter on, unless you live under a transmitter. I use twisted pair 22 ga. solid copper bell wire for voltage measurments with no difficulties, and the thermals reduce very quickly. Silver plated copper would be even better I suppose. Heavy gauge wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do.

Dick Moore

Randy — not sure why you feel the need for shielded wire for DC measurements, especially if you turn the LP filter on, unless you live under a transmitter. I use twisted pair 22 ga. solid copper bell wire for voltage measurments with no difficulties, and the thermals reduce very quickly. Silver plated copper would be even better I suppose. Heavy gauge wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do. Dick Moore
JP
John Phillips
Wed, Jul 29, 2015 12:44 AM

Dick it is all in trying to get the last little bit of accuracy out of the
meter. 1000 NPLC  and or math stat would do better than messing with the
leads... All this gets into the law of diminishing returns. 1 ohm test lead
in series with a 10Meg input resistance that only come into play on the 2
upper ranges will induce an error of 0.1 ppm.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Richard Moore richiem5683@gmail.com
wrote:

Randy — not sure why you feel the need for shielded wire for DC
measurements, especially if you turn the LP filter on, unless you live
under a transmitter. I use twisted pair 22 ga. solid copper bell wire for
voltage measurments with no difficulties, and the thermals reduce very
quickly. Silver plated copper would be even better I suppose. Heavy gauge
wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do.

Dick Moore


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Dick it is all in trying to get the last little bit of accuracy out of the meter. 1000 NPLC and or math stat would do better than messing with the leads... All this gets into the law of diminishing returns. 1 ohm test lead in series with a 10Meg input resistance that only come into play on the 2 upper ranges will induce an error of 0.1 ppm. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Richard Moore <richiem5683@gmail.com> wrote: > Randy — not sure why you feel the need for shielded wire for DC > measurements, especially if you turn the LP filter on, unless you live > under a transmitter. I use twisted pair 22 ga. solid copper bell wire for > voltage measurments with no difficulties, and the thermals reduce very > quickly. Silver plated copper would be even better I suppose. Heavy gauge > wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do. > > Dick Moore > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- *John Phillips*
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Poul-Henning Kamp
Wed, Jul 29, 2015 6:19 AM

In message 19942E77-F4FD-4BA5-82CD-75A35BB5A4E9@gmail.com, Richard Moore writ
es:

Heavy gauge wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do.

Heavy gauge wire has different thermal behaviour than think wire (area deepends
on radius squared, surface only on radius)

It is not always obvious which behaviour is preferable.

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-------- In message <19942E77-F4FD-4BA5-82CD-75A35BB5A4E9@gmail.com>, Richard Moore writ es: >Heavy gauge wire is only needed for current measurements, which I seldom do. Heavy gauge wire has different thermal behaviour than think wire (area deepends on radius squared, surface only on radius) It is not always obvious which behaviour is preferable. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.