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Symmetricom S250 Freeze-Up

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Adam Zeloof
Sat, Jul 26, 2025 1:12 PM

Hi all,

I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some
trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before
freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the
web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from
the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF
card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few
minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be
appreciated!

Thank you,
Adam

Hi all, I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated! Thank you, Adam
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Wilko Bulte
Sat, Jul 26, 2025 4:15 PM

Bit of a blind guess: older unit, with over time degraded power supply? Typical failure scenario for (SM)PSU are electrolytic capacitors that have lost (part of) their electrolyte. Which means capacity of the capacitors goes down the drain.This can be temperature dependent, making the unit work while cold, fail once warm, work for a bit after being allowed to cool down for some time, etc.

best,
Wilko

On 26 Jul 2025, at 17:15, Adam Zeloof via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Hi all,

I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some
trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before
freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the
web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from
the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF
card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few
minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be
appreciated!

Thank you,
Adam


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Bit of a blind guess: older unit, with over time degraded power supply? Typical failure scenario for (SM)PSU are electrolytic capacitors that have lost (part of) their electrolyte. Which means capacity of the capacitors goes down the drain.This can be temperature dependent, making the unit work while cold, fail once warm, work for a bit after being allowed to cool down for some time, etc. best, Wilko > On 26 Jul 2025, at 17:15, Adam Zeloof via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some > trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before > freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the > web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from > the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF > card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few > minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be > appreciated! > > Thank you, > Adam > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Nick Whalen
Sat, Jul 26, 2025 7:42 PM

Wilko has a good suggestion, the power supplies in the S2xx/3xx series
have a history of failing miserably.  While the supplies are definitely
repairable (esp if you catch them before the caps fail), there's also a
'new' option.  Specifically this unit:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/490-VSBU-120-T515A.  You'd need to
pull the existing supply board out of its enclosure and replace it with
this one.

I swapped out the PSU in S350 last year with the above linked
replacement and it's been working great ever since.  I think I had to
tweak the DC wiring layout a bit, but that was about it. Should you go
down this route, feel free to ping me and I can go dig up my pics :).

Next option: These units have a large thermal interface pad between the
CPU 'heatsink' (basically just a big block of metal, probably aluminum?)
and the top of the case.  If the unit has been opened a lot, or the pad
is bad, you could have an over-heating CPU. One way to check this would
be to open the top of the case when the unit is on and has 'hung', and
check the temperature of the heatsink block. I'm not sure what proper
idle temperature is right off the bat but that block really shouldn't be
above 40-50C in normal environments.  That said, if you have a
rubidium-optioned unit those throw off a ton of heat, and that will
exacerbate any thermal issues you may have.

I currently have a S200 (TCXO), S300 (Rb) and a S350 (Rb) in working
order, so not exactly what you have, but I definitely can help with
providing measurements of what  'normal' is, if you get to that point.

Nick

On 7/26/25 09:15, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts wrote:

Bit of a blind guess: older unit, with over time degraded power supply? Typical failure scenario for (SM)PSU are electrolytic capacitors that have lost (part of) their electrolyte. Which means capacity of the capacitors goes down the drain.This can be temperature dependent, making the unit work while cold, fail once warm, work for a bit after being allowed to cool down for some time, etc.

best,
Wilko

On 26 Jul 2025, at 17:15, Adam Zeloof via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Hi all,

I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some
trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before
freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the
web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from
the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF
card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few
minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be
appreciated!

Thank you,
Adam


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Wilko has a good suggestion, the power supplies in the S2xx/3xx series have a history of failing miserably.  While the supplies are definitely repairable (esp if you catch them before the caps fail), there's also a 'new' option.  Specifically this unit: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/490-VSBU-120-T515A.  You'd need to pull the existing supply board out of its enclosure and replace it with this one. I swapped out the PSU in S350 last year with the above linked replacement and it's been working great ever since.  I think I had to tweak the DC wiring layout a bit, but that was about it. Should you go down this route, feel free to ping me and I can go dig up my pics :). Next option: These units have a large thermal interface pad between the CPU 'heatsink' (basically just a big block of metal, probably aluminum?) and the top of the case.  If the unit has been opened a lot, or the pad is bad, you could have an over-heating CPU. One way to check this would be to open the top of the case when the unit is on and has 'hung', and check the temperature of the heatsink block. I'm not sure what proper idle temperature is right off the bat but that block really shouldn't be above 40-50C in normal environments.  That said, if you have a rubidium-optioned unit those throw off a _ton_ of heat, and that will exacerbate any thermal issues you may have. I currently have a S200 (TCXO), S300 (Rb) and a S350 (Rb) in working order, so not exactly what you have, but I definitely can help with providing measurements of what  'normal' is, if you get to that point. Nick On 7/26/25 09:15, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts wrote: > Bit of a blind guess: older unit, with over time degraded power supply? Typical failure scenario for (SM)PSU are electrolytic capacitors that have lost (part of) their electrolyte. Which means capacity of the capacitors goes down the drain.This can be temperature dependent, making the unit work while cold, fail once warm, work for a bit after being allowed to cool down for some time, etc. > > best, > Wilko > >> On 26 Jul 2025, at 17:15, Adam Zeloof via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I picked up a Symmetricom S250 NTP server last weekend, and I'm having some >> trouble with it. When powered, it'll run for a couple of hours before >> freezing up. The LEDs on the front all turn red, the screen stops, and the >> web interface is unreachable. I've tried factory resetting, upgrading from >> the originally-installed 1.26 Firmware to 1.36, and installing a new CF >> card. If I reboot after a freeze, it usually freezes again within a few >> minutes unless it's sat for a while. Any ideas or solutions would be >> appreciated! >> >> Thank you, >> Adam >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com