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Building a high resolution DAC

AK
Attila Kinali
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:04 PM

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200
Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de wrote:

see my comments on the cirquit [1] here:
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html

So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a
exact/calibrated feedback loop).
Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping
bits anyway.

Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question
marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that
does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions.

I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053
does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any
way how it would cancel somewhere.

		Attila Kinali

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the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200 Andreas Jahn <Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de> wrote: > see my comments on the cirquit [1] here: > https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html > > So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a > exact/calibrated feedback loop). > Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping > bits anyway. Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions. I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053 does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any way how it would cancel somewhere. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
AK
Attila Kinali
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:19 PM

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

		Attila Kinali

--
It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > >You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. > > I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. > >My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. > >But yes.. it might not be possible. > > I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you > back almost that much... I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD. But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. Thanks Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
JP
John Phillips
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:24 PM

I would think the noise numbers would kill most of the bits past 24. DAC
noise is bad enough but do you have a 32 bit reference. To be real the
reference voltage into the DAC need stable to 1 part in 4,.294,967,296 or
just 0.004 ppm
How can you use bits 25 to 32?

Just something to consider in your design.
If you are using this as an attenuator then what is the noise level in the
input signal.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Attila Kinali attila@kinali.ch wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200
Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de wrote:

see my comments on the cirquit [1] here:
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html

So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a
exact/calibrated feedback loop).
Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping
bits anyway.

Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question
marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that
does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions.

I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053
does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any
way how it would cancel somewhere.

                     Attila Kinali

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I would think the noise numbers would kill most of the bits past 24. DAC noise is bad enough but do you have a 32 bit reference. To be real the reference voltage into the DAC need stable to 1 part in 4,.294,967,296 or just 0.004 ppm How can you use bits 25 to 32? Just something to consider in your design. If you are using this as an attenuator then what is the noise level in the input signal. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Attila Kinali <attila@kinali.ch> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200 > Andreas Jahn <Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de> wrote: > > > see my comments on the cirquit [1] here: > > https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html > > > > So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a > > exact/calibrated feedback loop). > > Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping > > bits anyway. > > Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question > marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that > does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions. > > I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053 > does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any > way how it would cancel somewhere. > > > Attila Kinali > > > -- > It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All > the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no > use without that foundation. > -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- *John Phillips*
AJ
Andreas Jahn
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:29 PM

Hello,

I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

		Attila Kinali
Hello, I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. (typical 7ppm/K) E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350. Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K. The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference. With best regards Andreas Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 > "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > > >>> You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. >> I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. > Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. > >>> My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. >>> But yes.. it might not be possible. >> I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you >> back almost that much... > I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term > stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD. > > But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether > i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already > enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. > > Thanks > > Attila Kinali >
DM
Daniel Mendes
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:46 PM

Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i
think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....

Daniel

Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:

Hello,

I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

         Attila Kinali

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Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy..... Daniel Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu: > Hello, > > I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. > (typical 7ppm/K) > E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350. > Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K. > The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference. > > With best regards > > Andreas > > Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali: >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 >> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: >> >> >>>> You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. >>> I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. >> Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. >>>> My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. >>>> But yes.. it might not be possible. >>> I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you >>> back almost that much... >> I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term >> stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than >> 10USD. >> >> But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether >> i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be >> already >> enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. >> >> Thanks >> >> Attila Kinali >> > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
DC
David C. Partridge
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 4:50 PM

Jim Williams' Linear Technology Application Note 86 is required reading
here.

http://www.linear.com/docs/4177

Regards,
David Partridge

Jim Williams' Linear Technology Application Note 86 is required reading here. <http://www.linear.com/docs/4177> Regards, David Partridge
AJ
Andreas Jahn
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 5:58 PM

Hello,

its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:

Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then
i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....

Daniel

Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:

Hello,

I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

         Attila Kinali

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Hello, its not only the plastic (epoxy) package. Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die. And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better. Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB. (the others with thin VERO-wire). With best regards Andreas Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes: > > Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus > LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then > i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy..... > > Daniel > > Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu: >> Hello, >> >> I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. >> (typical 7ppm/K) >> E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350. >> Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K. >> The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference. >> >> With best regards >> >> Andreas >> >> Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali: >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 >>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. >>>> I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. >>> Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. >>>>> My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. >>>>> But yes.. it might not be possible. >>>> I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you >>>> back almost that much... >>> I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term >>> stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than >>> 10USD. >>> >>> But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether >>> i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be >>> already >>> enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Attila Kinali >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
JP
John Phillips
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 6:24 PM

At this level even barometric pressure changes con be a problem.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de
wrote:

Hello,

its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:

Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i
think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....

Daniel

Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:

Hello,

I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.

But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

         Attila Kinali

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At this level even barometric pressure changes con be a problem. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Andreas Jahn <Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de> wrote: > Hello, > > its not only the plastic (epoxy) package. > Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die. > And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better. > Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB. > (the others with thin VERO-wire). > > With best regards > > Andreas > > > Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes: > >> >> Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus >> LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i >> think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy..... >> >> Daniel >> >> Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. >>> (typical 7ppm/K) >>> E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350. >>> Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K. >>> The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali: >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 >>>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. >>>>>> >>>>> I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. >>>>> >>>> Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. >>>> >>>>> My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. >>>>>> But yes.. it might not be possible. >>>>>> >>>>> I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you >>>>> back almost that much... >>>>> >>>> I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term >>>> stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than >>>> 10USD. >>>> >>>> But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether >>>> i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be >>>> already >>>> enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Attila Kinali >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- *John Phillips*
BC
Brooke Clarke
Mon, Aug 17, 2015 6:50 PM

Hi:

I haven't been following this thread but see it's about making a DAC with a lot of bits.
While researching a Quantec GPS receiver I discovered a patent that for a 4 bit DAC to be used to drive a precision
oscillator.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Q5200.shtml#Patent
It depends on using the carry out from an NCO that has a 48 bit input word.

PS HP/Agilent has some instruments with very high quality programmable DC sources such as the 4352 VCO tester.  These
have very low noise but I forget how many bits.

Mail_Attachment --
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html
Andreas Jahn wrote:

Hello,

its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:

Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad
regarding moisture then i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....

Daniel

Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:

Hello,

I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. (typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.

With best regards

Andreas

Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.

I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.

Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.

My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.

I don't think it is.  The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...

I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.

But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.

Thanks

         Attila Kinali

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Hi: I haven't been following this thread but see it's about making a DAC with a lot of bits. While researching a Quantec GPS receiver I discovered a patent that for a 4 bit DAC to be used to drive a precision oscillator. http://www.prc68.com/I/Q5200.shtml#Patent It depends on using the carry out from an NCO that has a 48 bit input word. PS HP/Agilent has some instruments with very high quality programmable DC sources such as the 4352 VCO tester. These have very low noise but I forget how many bits. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Andreas Jahn wrote: > Hello, > > its not only the plastic (epoxy) package. > Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die. > And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better. > Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB. > (the others with thin VERO-wire). > > With best regards > > Andreas > > Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes: >> >> Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad >> regarding moisture then i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy..... >> >> Daniel >> >> Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. (typical 7ppm/K) >>> E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350. >>> Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K. >>> The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali: >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000 >>>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by. >>>>> I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications. >>>> Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available. >>>>>> My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible. >>>>>> But yes.. it might not be possible. >>>>> I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you >>>>> back almost that much... >>>> I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term >>>> stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD. >>>> >>>> But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether >>>> i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already >>>> enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Attila Kinali >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Charles Steinmetz
Tue, Aug 18, 2015 12:25 AM

You cited one article by Steve Woodward -- have you read the other two?:

http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4323340/Fast-settling-synchronous-PWMDAC-filter-has-almost-no-ripple

http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4329365/Combine-two-8-bit-outputs-tomake-one-16-bit-DAC

Jim Williams published a 3-part article in EDN that may be useful
(there is some overlap with LT AN-86):

<m.eet.com/media/1146038/21715-74453.pdf>
<m.eet.com/media/1146993/21816-426013.pdf>
<m.eet.com/media/1142215/82758.pdf>

Best regards,

Charles

You cited one article by Steve Woodward -- have you read the other two?: <http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4323340/Fast-settling-synchronous-PWMDAC-filter-has-almost-no-ripple> <http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4329365/Combine-two-8-bit-outputs-tomake-one-16-bit-DAC> Jim Williams published a 3-part article in EDN that may be useful (there is some overlap with LT AN-86): <m.eet.com/media/1146038/21715-74453.pdf> <m.eet.com/media/1146993/21816-426013.pdf> <m.eet.com/media/1142215/82758.pdf> Best regards, Charles