On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200
Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de wrote:
see my comments on the cirquit [1] here:
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html
So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a
exact/calibrated feedback loop).
Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping
bits anyway.
Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question
marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that
does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions.
I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053
does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any
way how it would cancel somewhere.
Attila Kinali
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
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I would think the noise numbers would kill most of the bits past 24. DAC
noise is bad enough but do you have a 32 bit reference. To be real the
reference voltage into the DAC need stable to 1 part in 4,.294,967,296 or
just 0.004 ppm
How can you use bits 25 to 32?
Just something to consider in your design.
If you are using this as an attenuator then what is the noise level in the
input signal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Attila Kinali attila@kinali.ch wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:04:25 +0200
Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de wrote:
see my comments on the cirquit [1] here:
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/2010-October/000537.html
So it will get very hard to go below 1ppm linearity. (without a
exact/calibrated feedback loop).
Since the formula in the article is wrong you will need some overlapping
bits anyway.
Yes, when i tried to understand the circuit, more and more question
marks popped up, until I decided to use a different approach that
does not involve black magic and misleading descriptions.
I am kind of surprised that the charge injection of the MAX4053
does not kill a lot of the performance. At least i don't see any
way how it would cancel somewhere.
Attila Kinali
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Hello,
I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i
think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....
Daniel
Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:
Hello,
I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
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Jim Williams' Linear Technology Application Note 86 is required reading
here.
http://www.linear.com/docs/4177
Regards,
David Partridge
Hello,
its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:
Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then
i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....
Daniel
Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:
Hello,
I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
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At this level even barometric pressure changes con be a problem.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Andreas Jahn Andreas_-_Jahn@t-online.de
wrote:
Hello,
its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:
Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus
LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad regarding moisture then i
think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....
Daniel
Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:
Hello,
I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021.
(typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than
10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be
already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
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Hi:
I haven't been following this thread but see it's about making a DAC with a lot of bits.
While researching a Quantec GPS receiver I discovered a patent that for a 4 bit DAC to be used to drive a precision
oscillator.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Q5200.shtml#Patent
It depends on using the carry out from an NCO that has a 48 bit input word.
PS HP/Agilent has some instruments with very high quality programmable DC sources such as the 4352 VCO tester. These
have very low noise but I forget how many bits.
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Andreas Jahn wrote:
Hello,
its not only the plastic (epoxy) package.
Its also the epoxy PCB which creates package stress to the die.
And I do not believe that any "slots" make it significantly better.
Thats why I use the AD586LQ; and soldering only one pin to the PCB.
(the others with thin VERO-wire).
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Mendes:
Look at LT6655 datasheet, page 14, about long term drift of MS8 versus LS8 package. If others refferences are as bad
regarding moisture then i think this may be a problem at this level of accuracy.....
Daniel
Em 17/08/2015 13:29, Andreas Jahn escreveu:
Hello,
I would rather use a reference with lower tempco than the LT1021. (typical 7ppm/K)
E.g. (selected) AD586LQ or MAX6350.
Or at least LT1236AILS8 with around 3ppm/K.
The self heating alone gives around 3 deg C temperature difference.
With best regards
Andreas
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:19 schrieb Attila Kinali:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:38:37 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
You mean the AD7177-2? That seems to be quite hard to get by.
I was thinking of the TI part intended for seismic applications.
Hmm. The ADS1262 does indeed seem quite easily available.
My goal was to stay below 30-40USD for the whole DAC if possible.
But yes.. it might not be possible.
I don't think it is. The necessary voltage reference will set you
back almost that much...
I thought about using the LT1021. I don't need the long term
stability of the LTZ1000 and the LT1021 is available for less than 10USD.
But from the discussion here, think i have to go back and see whether
i really need such an high resolution or whether 20bit wouldnt be already
enough. Then i could get away with a 20bit DAC like the DAC1220.
Thanks
Attila Kinali
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You cited one article by Steve Woodward -- have you read the other two?:
http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4329365/Combine-two-8-bit-outputs-tomake-one-16-bit-DAC
Jim Williams published a 3-part article in EDN that may be useful
(there is some overlap with LT AN-86):
<m.eet.com/media/1146038/21715-74453.pdf>
<m.eet.com/media/1146993/21816-426013.pdf>
<m.eet.com/media/1142215/82758.pdf>
Best regards,
Charles