When I was in MoCo we also created a privilege wall. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov> wrote:  We create a privilege wall in this situation. One Division will handle the advising and resulting litigation, the other the lawsuit. From: Amanda Karras <akarras@imla.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:53 PM To: employlaw@lists.imla.org; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org; counties@lists.imla.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Cityattorneys] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Forward suspect email to phish@oti.nyc.gov<mailto:phish@oti.nyc.gov> as an attachment (Click the More button, then forward as attachment). A member is wondering the following: As part of its legal representation, the member defends individual governmental employees who are sued in lawsuits in the scope of their duties as an employee. During the course of the litigation, if a discipline matter arises with regard to that employee unrelated to the litigation, the member would like to know if it can handle both matters in house? The question is whether one lawyer in its office can defend the employee in the lawsuit while another lawyer in its office can advise the HR department on an unrelated discipline issue. Can a “wall” be created between their litigation section and their employment section so that both matters can be handled in house? If so, if you have any best practices / guidance on how to set that up, please let me know. I will pass along your responses so please email me directly at akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>. 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Still follow Chuck’s process. John P. Markovs County Attorney Montgomery County, Maryland (240) 777-6725 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email may be confidential under attorney-client privilege, work-product doctrine, or other applicable law. If you received this email in error, you may not copy, distribute, or use its contents, and you are requested to immediately delete the email from your system and notify the sender at 240-777-6700. Thank you. From: Chuck Thompson <cthompson@imla.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 2:16 PM To: Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov> Cc: employlaw@lists.imla.org; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org; counties@lists.imla.org Subject: [Counties] Re: [Cityattorneys] Re: [EXTERNAL] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined [EXTERNAL EMAIL] When I was in MoCo we also created a privilege wall. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov<mailto:slouis@law.nyc.gov>> wrote:  We create a privilege wall in this situation. One Division will handle the advising and resulting litigation, the other the lawsuit. From: Amanda Karras <akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:53 PM To: employlaw@lists.imla.org<mailto:employlaw@lists.imla.org>; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org<mailto:cityattorneys@lists.imla.org>; counties@lists.imla.org<mailto:counties@lists.imla.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Cityattorneys] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Forward suspect email to phish@oti.nyc.gov<mailto:phish@oti.nyc.gov> as an attachment (Click the More button, then forward as attachment). A member is wondering the following: As part of its legal representation, the member defends individual governmental employees who are sued in lawsuits in the scope of their duties as an employee. During the course of the litigation, if a discipline matter arises with regard to that employee unrelated to the litigation, the member would like to know if it can handle both matters in house? The question is whether one lawyer in its office can defend the employee in the lawsuit while another lawyer in its office can advise the HR department on an unrelated discipline issue. Can a “wall” be created between their litigation section and their employment section so that both matters can be handled in house? If so, if you have any best practices / guidance on how to set that up, please let me know. I will pass along your responses so please email me directly at akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>. Thanks, Amanda Amanda Kellar Karras Executive Director / General Counsel Direct Phone: (202) 742-1018 IMLA Main: (202) 466-5424 Email: akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org> 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The County of Santa Clara does the same. Our ethical wall/privilege wall extends to our case management system, as well – with access rights granted to only specified attorneys, paralegals, and support staff for their side of the wall. - Rob [cid:image005.png@01D8E86A.8FF3B300] Rob Coelho | Assistant County Counsel Office of the County Counsel, County of Santa Clara 70 West Hedding Street, East Wing, 9th Floor | San José, CA 95110 Office: (408) 299-6942 | Mobile: (408) 799-2930 | Facsimile: (408) 292-7240 Pronouns: he/him/his robert.coelho@cco.sccgov.org<mailto:robert.coelho@cco.sccgov.org> | counsel.sccgov.org<https://counsel.sccgov.org/> NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: The information in this email is confidential and may be protected by the attorney-client and/or work product privileges. If you received this email in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of it is strictly prohibited. Please notify Administration, Office of the County Counsel, of the error immediately at 408-299-5900 and delete this communication and any attached documents from your system. From: Markovs, John <John.Markovs@montgomerycountymd.gov> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:00 PM To: Chuck Thompson <cthompson@imla.org>; Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov> Cc: employlaw@lists.imla.org; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org; counties@lists.imla.org Subject: [Counties] Re: [Cityattorneys] Re: [EXTERNAL] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined Still follow Chuck’s process. John P. Markovs County Attorney Montgomery County, Maryland (240) 777-6725 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email may be confidential under attorney-client privilege, work-product doctrine, or other applicable law. If you received this email in error, you may not copy, distribute, or use its contents, and you are requested to immediately delete the email from your system and notify the sender at 240-777-6700. Thank you. From: Chuck Thompson <cthompson@imla.org<mailto:cthompson@imla.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 2:16 PM To: Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov<mailto:slouis@law.nyc.gov>> Cc: employlaw@lists.imla.org<mailto:employlaw@lists.imla.org>; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org<mailto:cityattorneys@lists.imla.org>; counties@lists.imla.org<mailto:counties@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Counties] Re: [Cityattorneys] Re: [EXTERNAL] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined [EXTERNAL EMAIL] When I was in MoCo we also created a privilege wall. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov<mailto:slouis@law.nyc.gov>> wrote:  We create a privilege wall in this situation. One Division will handle the advising and resulting litigation, the other the lawsuit. From: Amanda Karras <akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:53 PM To: employlaw@lists.imla.org<mailto:employlaw@lists.imla.org>; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org<mailto:cityattorneys@lists.imla.org>; counties@lists.imla.org<mailto:counties@lists.imla.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Cityattorneys] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Forward suspect email to phish@oti.nyc.gov<mailto:phish@oti.nyc.gov> as an attachment (Click the More button, then forward as attachment). A member is wondering the following: As part of its legal representation, the member defends individual governmental employees who are sued in lawsuits in the scope of their duties as an employee. During the course of the litigation, if a discipline matter arises with regard to that employee unrelated to the litigation, the member would like to know if it can handle both matters in house? The question is whether one lawyer in its office can defend the employee in the lawsuit while another lawyer in its office can advise the HR department on an unrelated discipline issue. Can a “wall” be created between their litigation section and their employment section so that both matters can be handled in house? If so, if you have any best practices / guidance on how to set that up, please let me know. I will pass along your responses so please email me directly at akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>. 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Ditto for Hennepin County From: Markovs, John <John.Markovs@montgomerycountymd.gov> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 2:00 PM To: Chuck Thompson <cthompson@imla.org>; Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov> Cc: employlaw@lists.imla.org; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org; counties@lists.imla.org Subject: [Counties] Re: [Cityattorneys] Re: [EXTERNAL] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined Still follow Chuck’s process. John P. Markovs County Attorney Montgomery County, Maryland (240) 777-6725 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email may be confidential under attorney-client privilege, work-product doctrine, or other applicable law. If you received this email in error, you may not copy, distribute, or use its contents, and you are requested to immediately delete the email from your system and notify the sender at 240-777-6700. Thank you. From: Chuck Thompson <cthompson@imla.org<mailto:cthompson@imla.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 2:16 PM To: Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov<mailto:slouis@law.nyc.gov>> Cc: employlaw@lists.imla.org<mailto:employlaw@lists.imla.org>; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org<mailto:cityattorneys@lists.imla.org>; counties@lists.imla.org<mailto:counties@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Counties] Re: [Cityattorneys] Re: [EXTERNAL] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined [EXTERNAL EMAIL] When I was in MoCo we also created a privilege wall. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Louis, Stephen (Law) <slouis@law.nyc.gov<mailto:slouis@law.nyc.gov>> wrote:  We create a privilege wall in this situation. One Division will handle the advising and resulting litigation, the other the lawsuit. From: Amanda Karras <akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 1:53 PM To: employlaw@lists.imla.org<mailto:employlaw@lists.imla.org>; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org<mailto:cityattorneys@lists.imla.org>; counties@lists.imla.org<mailto:counties@lists.imla.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Cityattorneys] Defending Employees in Lawsuits Who Also Are Being Disciplined CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Forward suspect email to phish@oti.nyc.gov<mailto:phish@oti.nyc.gov> as an attachment (Click the More button, then forward as attachment). A member is wondering the following: As part of its legal representation, the member defends individual governmental employees who are sued in lawsuits in the scope of their duties as an employee. During the course of the litigation, if a discipline matter arises with regard to that employee unrelated to the litigation, the member would like to know if it can handle both matters in house? The question is whether one lawyer in its office can defend the employee in the lawsuit while another lawyer in its office can advise the HR department on an unrelated discipline issue. Can a “wall” be created between their litigation section and their employment section so that both matters can be handled in house? If so, if you have any best practices / guidance on how to set that up, please let me know. I will pass along your responses so please email me directly at akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>. Thanks, Amanda Amanda Kellar Karras Executive Director / General Counsel Direct Phone: (202) 742-1018 IMLA Main: (202) 466-5424 Email: akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org> 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