Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

MH
Mari Hernandez
Sun, Apr 28, 2019 1:45 PM

Directly from the TX DMV Website

Low-Speed Vehicles (LSVs), also known as Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEVs), and golf carts are regulated by state and federal laws. Registered, titled and insured NEVs may be legally driven at a maximum speed of 35 mph on public roads with a posted speed limit of 45 mph or less, unless a city or county ordinance prohibits their operation. The TxDMV does not title or register golf carts. Golf cart owners who received a title before the law changed on September 1, 2009, are not required to return their titles to the TxDMV. For Driver License requirements to operate any of these vehicles, contact your local law enforcement agency.

Registration requirements and liability coverage for golf carts vary based in your neighborhood and/or city. For example...
-with the increased use of golf carts on the beach and public roads in the coastal cities (Port Aransas, Rockport, etc) the city requires that you register the golf cart and that it is operated by a licensed driver.

  • if the bylaws in your HOA allows the golf cart to be driven on the streets of your neighborhood, most homeowners insurance provide the liability coverage under Personal Liabilty. If not, you may consider adding the golf cart to your auto policy or a policy that would provide Liabilty coverage should an accident occur.

I didn't review our bylaws so I'm not completely sure what the "rule" is with regards to the operation of golf carts in our neighborhood.

With regard to registration the rules for ATV and other recreational vehicles (dune buggies, go carts, Polaris, etc) are similar. Some HOA  bylaws lump all of these types of LSV under one category and others separate them.

My two cents, if you or your children will operate one of these vehicles in the neighborhood 1) follow the "ruling" of the HOA bylaws 2) make sure you check how Liabilty coverage will apply based on your personal insurance coverage. Regardless of personal opinions, if you follow 1 & 2 - you should be good to go.

Mari Hernandez
Sent from my iPhone

Today I choose JOY!

On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Ralph D Wilson II via Discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com wrote:

Kids who are close to getting their permit or license should be accompanied by an adult if they are driving any vehicle. Those who are younger should be driven by an adult.  Golf carts have enough power to cause significant injury and are considered a vehicle under Texas law.  That means a license and insurance are required and, unless they are "street legal", there are issues with their being driven on streets.  Children do not tend to pay attention to their surroundings and things like dogs or cats that may run into a street unexpectedly.  I would hate to hear about some 12 or 13 year old (much less a younger child) having run over another person's pet.

From the description in the original post, I would question whether the individual, whether child or adult, was driving in a reasonable manner.

Ralph D. Wilson II
(210) 387-7744
9038 Woodland Trace
Borne, TX 78006

On 2019-04-27 8:09, Desi Arnold via Discussion wrote:
No, this should not be taken away from our children. Especially those who
are close to getting their permit or license. It helps them practice road
safety, decision making, and simply becoming more confident on the road. I
would much rather be on the roads with someone with experience then someone
who has never touched a steering wheel.

On another note, maybe if there were more to offer these kids, of ALL ages.
Updated playgrounds, gaga-ball pit, sports court. Even a splash pad could
be enjoyed by all. Reality is there is nothing to offer kids in this
neighborhood. In turn, there should be no discussion about taking away this
privilege from our children when they are trying to entertain themselves
outside the home away from TVs, video games, etc.

Desirea Arnold

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM Patti Schroeder via Discussion <
discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote:

I agree. I’ve seen children driving golf carts without parental
supervision. That is unacceptable. Especially for their safety.  Rules of
the road are learned through drivers ed and parents.

Patti Schroeder

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Romeo Vasquez via Discussion <

I agree, as long as they are driven by a licensed driver, no children,

and not on days such as Halloween when there is a lot of pedestrian traffic.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Adrian D Voorkamp via Discussion <

I'm in full agreement here; any policy on vehicles that doesn't have an

exception for type of use should likely be modified.  I'm fine with a
resident enjoying a scooter or golf cart ride through our lovely
neighborhood...so long as they’re doing so in a safe and respectful
manner.

Adrian Voorkamp
Director, Learning Deployment, Americas
Johnson Controls

+1 760 271 4339 mobile
Adrian.Voorkamp@jci.com

JohnsonControls.com
Twitter: @JohnsonControls • LinkedIn: Johnson Controls

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion discussion-bounces@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com On

Behalf Of Brooks Brininstool via Discussion

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:00 PM
To: Limestone Ranch HOA discussion <

Cc: Brooks Brininstool brb92gmc@hotmail.com; lsr.bod <

Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

Just my two cents...

I think it’s really cool that we live in a smaller, secure,

neighborhood where we can enjoy golf carts and UTV’s safely. Folks use them
to socialize and attend gatherings and such. I don’t own one, but if my
wife would let me sequester more garage space, I’d have one! (But alas, too
many power tools and kayaks in the way)

I would hope that, as long as people are operating them in a safe

manner, we wouldn’t open up the rule book and ban them. Because we may need
to ban some of the drivers in real cars before we do that! ;)

On Apr 26, 2019, at 3:53 PM, lsr.bod via Discussion <

The LSR DCCRs, section 3.4, does state that no unlicensed vehicles of

any type shall be permitted on any roads, streets or easements within the
Common Area.  If it is unlicensed, it is not permitted.

Driving any vehicle requires consideration for others sharing our

streets.  Whether walking, riding or driving.  Be aware of your behavior
and the impact on others.

We are a community that provides an environment that others want to

call their home and a great place to live.

Thank you each for making our community great.

LSR BODs
Tom Angotti- President
Reid Cain- Vice President
Greg Anderson- Secretary

On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Julia Moore via Discussion <

I think Golf Carts are not street legal and not allowed on our

streets according to the covenants.  Maybe Tom could weigh in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Beebe via Discussion
discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
To: discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
Cc: Nancy Beebe nancybeebe@gmail.com
Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2019 7:18 pm
Subject: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

Anybody have any insight on the dude driving a teal golf cart at
lightning speed in circles around neighborhood blasting chill music?
No crime in it...just a wonder.


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist
s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes
toneranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368
7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C
0%7C636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ
9czAIJY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist
s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes
toneranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368
7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C
0%7C636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ
9czAIJY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists
.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limesto
neranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368779
3abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C
636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAI
JY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit:
http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit:
http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

Directly from the TX DMV Website Low-Speed Vehicles (LSVs), also known as Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEVs), and golf carts are regulated by state and federal laws. Registered, titled and insured NEVs may be legally driven at a maximum speed of 35 mph on public roads with a posted speed limit of 45 mph or less, unless a city or county ordinance prohibits their operation. The TxDMV does not title or register golf carts. Golf cart owners who received a title before the law changed on September 1, 2009, are not required to return their titles to the TxDMV. For Driver License requirements to operate any of these vehicles, contact your local law enforcement agency. Registration requirements and liability coverage for golf carts vary based in your neighborhood and/or city. For example... -with the increased use of golf carts on the beach and public roads in the coastal cities (Port Aransas, Rockport, etc) the city requires that you register the golf cart and that it is operated by a licensed driver. - if the bylaws in your HOA allows the golf cart to be driven on the streets of your neighborhood, most homeowners insurance provide the liability coverage under Personal Liabilty. If not, you may consider adding the golf cart to your auto policy or a policy that would provide Liabilty coverage should an accident occur. I didn't review our bylaws so I'm not completely sure what the "rule" is with regards to the operation of golf carts in our neighborhood. With regard to registration the rules for ATV and other recreational vehicles (dune buggies, go carts, Polaris, etc) are similar. Some HOA bylaws lump all of these types of LSV under one category and others separate them. My two cents, if you or your children will operate one of these vehicles in the neighborhood 1) follow the "ruling" of the HOA bylaws 2) make sure you check how Liabilty coverage will apply based on your personal insurance coverage. Regardless of personal opinions, if you follow 1 & 2 - you should be good to go. Mari Hernandez Sent from my iPhone Today I choose JOY! > On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Ralph D Wilson II via Discussion <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: > > Kids who are close to getting their permit or license should be accompanied by an adult if they are driving *any* vehicle. Those who are younger should be driven *by* an adult. Golf carts have enough power to cause significant injury and are considered a vehicle under Texas law. That means a license and insurance are required and, unless they are "street legal", there are issues with their being driven on streets. Children do not tend to pay attention to their surroundings and things like dogs or cats that may run into a street unexpectedly. I would hate to hear about some 12 or 13 year old (much less a younger child) having run over another person's pet. > > From the description in the original post, I would question whether the individual, whether child or adult, was driving in a reasonable manner. > > Ralph D. Wilson II > (210) 387-7744 > 9038 Woodland Trace > Borne, TX 78006 > >> On 2019-04-27 8:09, Desi Arnold via Discussion wrote: >> No, this should not be taken away from our children. Especially those who >> are close to getting their permit or license. It helps them practice road >> safety, decision making, and simply becoming more confident on the road. I >> would much rather be on the roads with someone with experience then someone >> who has never touched a steering wheel. >> >> >> On another note, maybe if there were more to offer these kids, of ALL ages. >> Updated playgrounds, gaga-ball pit, sports court. Even a splash pad could >> be enjoyed by all. Reality is there is nothing to offer kids in this >> neighborhood. In turn, there should be no discussion about taking away this >> privilege from our children when they are trying to entertain themselves >> outside the home away from TVs, video games, etc. >> >> Desirea Arnold >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM Patti Schroeder via Discussion < >> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree. I’ve seen children driving golf carts without parental >>> supervision. That is unacceptable. Especially for their safety. Rules of >>> the road are learned through drivers ed and parents. >>> >>> Patti Schroeder >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Romeo Vasquez via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>> I agree, as long as they are driven by a licensed driver, no children, >>> and not on days such as Halloween when there is a lot of pedestrian traffic. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Adrian D Voorkamp via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>> I'm in full agreement here; any policy on vehicles that doesn't have an >>> exception for type of use should likely be modified. I'm fine with a >>> resident enjoying a scooter or golf cart ride through our lovely >>> neighborhood...so long as they’re doing so in a safe and respectful >>> manner. >>>>> Adrian Voorkamp >>>>> Director, Learning Deployment, Americas >>>>> Johnson Controls >>>>> >>>>> +1 760 271 4339 mobile >>>>> Adrian.Voorkamp@jci.com >>>>> >>>>> JohnsonControls.com >>>>> Twitter: @JohnsonControls • LinkedIn: Johnson Controls >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Discussion <discussion-bounces@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> On >>> Behalf Of Brooks Brininstool via Discussion >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:00 PM >>>>> To: Limestone Ranch HOA discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>> Cc: Brooks Brininstool <brb92gmc@hotmail.com>; lsr.bod < >>> lsr.bod@limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles >>>>> >>>>> Just my two cents... >>>>> >>>>> I think it’s really cool that we live in a smaller, secure, >>> neighborhood where we can enjoy golf carts and UTV’s safely. Folks use them >>> to socialize and attend gatherings and such. I don’t own one, but if my >>> wife would let me sequester more garage space, I’d have one! (But alas, too >>> many power tools and kayaks in the way) >>>>> I would hope that, as long as people are operating them in a safe >>> manner, we wouldn’t open up the rule book and ban them. Because we may need >>> to ban some of the drivers in real cars before we do that! ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 3:53 PM, lsr.bod via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>>> The LSR DCCRs, section 3.4, does state that no unlicensed vehicles of >>> any type shall be permitted on any roads, streets or easements within the >>> Common Area. If it is unlicensed, it is not permitted. >>>>>> Driving any vehicle requires consideration for others sharing our >>> streets. Whether walking, riding or driving. Be aware of your behavior >>> and the impact on others. >>>>>> We are a community that provides an environment that others want to >>> call their home and a great place to live. >>>>>> Thank you each for making our community great. >>>>>> >>>>>> LSR BODs >>>>>> Tom Angotti- President >>>>>> Reid Cain- Vice President >>>>>> Greg Anderson- Secretary >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Julia Moore via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I think Golf Carts are not street legal and not allowed on our >>> streets according to the covenants. Maybe Tom could weigh in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Nancy Beebe via Discussion >>>>>>> <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>>>> To: discussion <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Beebe <nancybeebe@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2019 7:18 pm >>>>>>> Subject: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anybody have any insight on the dude driving a teal golf cart at >>>>>>> lightning speed in circles around neighborhood blasting chill music? >>>>>>> No crime in it...just a wonder. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>>>>>> s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes >>>>>>> toneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368 >>>>>>> 7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C >>>>>>> 0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ >>>>>>> 9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>>>>>> s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes >>>>>>> toneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368 >>>>>>> 7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C >>>>>>> 0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ >>>>>>> 9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >>>>>> .limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limesto >>>>>> neranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368779 >>>>>> 3abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C >>>>>> 636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAI >>>>>> JY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd63687793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discussion mailing list >>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discussion mailing list >>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: >>> >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discussion mailing list >> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >> >> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com > > To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: > http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
LA
Larry Adian
Mon, Apr 29, 2019 1:12 PM

When we were living in Victoria our next door neighbor's son was helping with freshman orientation at A & M. He either fell off a golf cart or it turned over and he was killed. I went to this young man's funeral who I had watched grow up from diapers on. He was about 20. These vehicles are not toys.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mari Hernandez via Discussion" discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
To: "Limestone Ranch HOA discussion" discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
Cc: "Mari Hernandez" marihernandez99@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:45:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

Directly from the TX DMV Website

Low-Speed Vehicles (LSVs), also known as Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEVs), and golf carts are regulated by state and federal laws. Registered, titled and insured NEVs may be legally driven at a maximum speed of 35 mph on public roads with a posted speed limit of 45 mph or less, unless a city or county ordinance prohibits their operation. The TxDMV does not title or register golf carts. Golf cart owners who received a title before the law changed on September 1, 2009, are not required to return their titles to the TxDMV. For Driver License requirements to operate any of these vehicles, contact your local law enforcement agency.

Registration requirements and liability coverage for golf carts vary based in your neighborhood and/or city. For example...
-with the increased use of golf carts on the beach and public roads in the coastal cities (Port Aransas, Rockport, etc) the city requires that you register the golf cart and that it is operated by a licensed driver.

  • if the bylaws in your HOA allows the golf cart to be driven on the streets of your neighborhood, most homeowners insurance provide the liability coverage under Personal Liabilty. If not, you may consider adding the golf cart to your auto policy or a policy that would provide Liabilty coverage should an accident occur.

I didn't review our bylaws so I'm not completely sure what the "rule" is with regards to the operation of golf carts in our neighborhood.

With regard to registration the rules for ATV and other recreational vehicles (dune buggies, go carts, Polaris, etc) are similar. Some HOA  bylaws lump all of these types of LSV under one category and others separate them.

My two cents, if you or your children will operate one of these vehicles in the neighborhood 1) follow the "ruling" of the HOA bylaws 2) make sure you check how Liabilty coverage will apply based on your personal insurance coverage. Regardless of personal opinions, if you follow 1 & 2 - you should be good to go.

Mari Hernandez
Sent from my iPhone

Today I choose JOY!

On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Ralph D Wilson II via Discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com wrote:

Kids who are close to getting their permit or license should be accompanied by an adult if they are driving any vehicle. Those who are younger should be driven by an adult.  Golf carts have enough power to cause significant injury and are considered a vehicle under Texas law.  That means a license and insurance are required and, unless they are "street legal", there are issues with their being driven on streets.  Children do not tend to pay attention to their surroundings and things like dogs or cats that may run into a street unexpectedly.  I would hate to hear about some 12 or 13 year old (much less a younger child) having run over another person's pet.

From the description in the original post, I would question whether the individual, whether child or adult, was driving in a reasonable manner.

Ralph D. Wilson II
(210) 387-7744
9038 Woodland Trace
Borne, TX 78006

On 2019-04-27 8:09, Desi Arnold via Discussion wrote:
No, this should not be taken away from our children. Especially those who
are close to getting their permit or license. It helps them practice road
safety, decision making, and simply becoming more confident on the road. I
would much rather be on the roads with someone with experience then someone
who has never touched a steering wheel.

On another note, maybe if there were more to offer these kids, of ALL ages.
Updated playgrounds, gaga-ball pit, sports court. Even a splash pad could
be enjoyed by all. Reality is there is nothing to offer kids in this
neighborhood. In turn, there should be no discussion about taking away this
privilege from our children when they are trying to entertain themselves
outside the home away from TVs, video games, etc.

Desirea Arnold

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM Patti Schroeder via Discussion <
discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote:

I agree. I’ve seen children driving golf carts without parental
supervision. That is unacceptable. Especially for their safety.  Rules of
the road are learned through drivers ed and parents.

Patti Schroeder

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Romeo Vasquez via Discussion <

I agree, as long as they are driven by a licensed driver, no children,

and not on days such as Halloween when there is a lot of pedestrian traffic.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Adrian D Voorkamp via Discussion <

I'm in full agreement here; any policy on vehicles that doesn't have an

exception for type of use should likely be modified.  I'm fine with a
resident enjoying a scooter or golf cart ride through our lovely
neighborhood...so long as they’re doing so in a safe and respectful
manner.

Adrian Voorkamp
Director, Learning Deployment, Americas
Johnson Controls

+1 760 271 4339 mobile
Adrian.Voorkamp@jci.com

JohnsonControls.com
Twitter: @JohnsonControls • LinkedIn: Johnson Controls

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion discussion-bounces@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com On

Behalf Of Brooks Brininstool via Discussion

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:00 PM
To: Limestone Ranch HOA discussion <

Cc: Brooks Brininstool brb92gmc@hotmail.com; lsr.bod <

Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

Just my two cents...

I think it’s really cool that we live in a smaller, secure,

neighborhood where we can enjoy golf carts and UTV’s safely. Folks use them
to socialize and attend gatherings and such. I don’t own one, but if my
wife would let me sequester more garage space, I’d have one! (But alas, too
many power tools and kayaks in the way)

I would hope that, as long as people are operating them in a safe

manner, we wouldn’t open up the rule book and ban them. Because we may need
to ban some of the drivers in real cars before we do that! ;)

On Apr 26, 2019, at 3:53 PM, lsr.bod via Discussion <

The LSR DCCRs, section 3.4, does state that no unlicensed vehicles of

any type shall be permitted on any roads, streets or easements within the
Common Area.  If it is unlicensed, it is not permitted.

Driving any vehicle requires consideration for others sharing our

streets.  Whether walking, riding or driving.  Be aware of your behavior
and the impact on others.

We are a community that provides an environment that others want to

call their home and a great place to live.

Thank you each for making our community great.

LSR BODs
Tom Angotti- President
Reid Cain- Vice President
Greg Anderson- Secretary

On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Julia Moore via Discussion <

I think Golf Carts are not street legal and not allowed on our

streets according to the covenants.  Maybe Tom could weigh in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Beebe via Discussion
discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
To: discussion discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com
Cc: Nancy Beebe nancybeebe@gmail.com
Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2019 7:18 pm
Subject: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles

Anybody have any insight on the dude driving a teal golf cart at
lightning speed in circles around neighborhood blasting chill music?
No crime in it...just a wonder.


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist
s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes
toneranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368
7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C
0%7C636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ
9czAIJY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist
s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes
toneranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368
7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C
0%7C636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ
9czAIJY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please

visit:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists
.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limesto
neranchhoa.com&data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368779
3abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C
636919092568425095&sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAI
JY%3D&reserved=0


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit:
http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit:
http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com


Discussion mailing list
Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit:
http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com

When we were living in Victoria our next door neighbor's son was helping with freshman orientation at A & M. He either fell off a golf cart or it turned over and he was killed. I went to this young man's funeral who I had watched grow up from diapers on. He was about 20. These vehicles are not toys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mari Hernandez via Discussion" <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> To: "Limestone Ranch HOA discussion" <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> Cc: "Mari Hernandez" <marihernandez99@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:45:39 AM Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles Directly from the TX DMV Website Low-Speed Vehicles (LSVs), also known as Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEVs), and golf carts are regulated by state and federal laws. Registered, titled and insured NEVs may be legally driven at a maximum speed of 35 mph on public roads with a posted speed limit of 45 mph or less, unless a city or county ordinance prohibits their operation. The TxDMV does not title or register golf carts. Golf cart owners who received a title before the law changed on September 1, 2009, are not required to return their titles to the TxDMV. For Driver License requirements to operate any of these vehicles, contact your local law enforcement agency. Registration requirements and liability coverage for golf carts vary based in your neighborhood and/or city. For example... -with the increased use of golf carts on the beach and public roads in the coastal cities (Port Aransas, Rockport, etc) the city requires that you register the golf cart and that it is operated by a licensed driver. - if the bylaws in your HOA allows the golf cart to be driven on the streets of your neighborhood, most homeowners insurance provide the liability coverage under Personal Liabilty. If not, you may consider adding the golf cart to your auto policy or a policy that would provide Liabilty coverage should an accident occur. I didn't review our bylaws so I'm not completely sure what the "rule" is with regards to the operation of golf carts in our neighborhood. With regard to registration the rules for ATV and other recreational vehicles (dune buggies, go carts, Polaris, etc) are similar. Some HOA bylaws lump all of these types of LSV under one category and others separate them. My two cents, if you or your children will operate one of these vehicles in the neighborhood 1) follow the "ruling" of the HOA bylaws 2) make sure you check how Liabilty coverage will apply based on your personal insurance coverage. Regardless of personal opinions, if you follow 1 & 2 - you should be good to go. Mari Hernandez Sent from my iPhone Today I choose JOY! > On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Ralph D Wilson II via Discussion <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: > > Kids who are close to getting their permit or license should be accompanied by an adult if they are driving *any* vehicle. Those who are younger should be driven *by* an adult. Golf carts have enough power to cause significant injury and are considered a vehicle under Texas law. That means a license and insurance are required and, unless they are "street legal", there are issues with their being driven on streets. Children do not tend to pay attention to their surroundings and things like dogs or cats that may run into a street unexpectedly. I would hate to hear about some 12 or 13 year old (much less a younger child) having run over another person's pet. > > From the description in the original post, I would question whether the individual, whether child or adult, was driving in a reasonable manner. > > Ralph D. Wilson II > (210) 387-7744 > 9038 Woodland Trace > Borne, TX 78006 > >> On 2019-04-27 8:09, Desi Arnold via Discussion wrote: >> No, this should not be taken away from our children. Especially those who >> are close to getting their permit or license. It helps them practice road >> safety, decision making, and simply becoming more confident on the road. I >> would much rather be on the roads with someone with experience then someone >> who has never touched a steering wheel. >> >> >> On another note, maybe if there were more to offer these kids, of ALL ages. >> Updated playgrounds, gaga-ball pit, sports court. Even a splash pad could >> be enjoyed by all. Reality is there is nothing to offer kids in this >> neighborhood. In turn, there should be no discussion about taking away this >> privilege from our children when they are trying to entertain themselves >> outside the home away from TVs, video games, etc. >> >> Desirea Arnold >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM Patti Schroeder via Discussion < >> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree. I’ve seen children driving golf carts without parental >>> supervision. That is unacceptable. Especially for their safety. Rules of >>> the road are learned through drivers ed and parents. >>> >>> Patti Schroeder >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Romeo Vasquez via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>> I agree, as long as they are driven by a licensed driver, no children, >>> and not on days such as Halloween when there is a lot of pedestrian traffic. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Adrian D Voorkamp via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>> I'm in full agreement here; any policy on vehicles that doesn't have an >>> exception for type of use should likely be modified. I'm fine with a >>> resident enjoying a scooter or golf cart ride through our lovely >>> neighborhood...so long as they’re doing so in a safe and respectful >>> manner. >>>>> Adrian Voorkamp >>>>> Director, Learning Deployment, Americas >>>>> Johnson Controls >>>>> >>>>> +1 760 271 4339 mobile >>>>> Adrian.Voorkamp@jci.com >>>>> >>>>> JohnsonControls.com >>>>> Twitter: @JohnsonControls • LinkedIn: Johnson Controls >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Discussion <discussion-bounces@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> On >>> Behalf Of Brooks Brininstool via Discussion >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:00 PM >>>>> To: Limestone Ranch HOA discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>> Cc: Brooks Brininstool <brb92gmc@hotmail.com>; lsr.bod < >>> lsr.bod@limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles >>>>> >>>>> Just my two cents... >>>>> >>>>> I think it’s really cool that we live in a smaller, secure, >>> neighborhood where we can enjoy golf carts and UTV’s safely. Folks use them >>> to socialize and attend gatherings and such. I don’t own one, but if my >>> wife would let me sequester more garage space, I’d have one! (But alas, too >>> many power tools and kayaks in the way) >>>>> I would hope that, as long as people are operating them in a safe >>> manner, we wouldn’t open up the rule book and ban them. Because we may need >>> to ban some of the drivers in real cars before we do that! ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 3:53 PM, lsr.bod via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>>> The LSR DCCRs, section 3.4, does state that no unlicensed vehicles of >>> any type shall be permitted on any roads, streets or easements within the >>> Common Area. If it is unlicensed, it is not permitted. >>>>>> Driving any vehicle requires consideration for others sharing our >>> streets. Whether walking, riding or driving. Be aware of your behavior >>> and the impact on others. >>>>>> We are a community that provides an environment that others want to >>> call their home and a great place to live. >>>>>> Thank you each for making our community great. >>>>>> >>>>>> LSR BODs >>>>>> Tom Angotti- President >>>>>> Reid Cain- Vice President >>>>>> Greg Anderson- Secretary >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Julia Moore via Discussion < >>> discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I think Golf Carts are not street legal and not allowed on our >>> streets according to the covenants. Maybe Tom could weigh in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Nancy Beebe via Discussion >>>>>>> <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>>>> To: discussion <discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com> >>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Beebe <nancybeebe@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2019 7:18 pm >>>>>>> Subject: [Limestone Ranch Discussion] doing circles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anybody have any insight on the dude driving a teal golf cart at >>>>>>> lightning speed in circles around neighborhood blasting chill music? >>>>>>> No crime in it...just a wonder. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>>>>>> s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes >>>>>>> toneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368 >>>>>>> 7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C >>>>>>> 0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ >>>>>>> 9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>>>>>> s.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limes >>>>>>> toneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368 >>>>>>> 7793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C >>>>>>> 0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ >>>>>>> 9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >>>>>> .limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limesto >>>>>> neranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd6368779 >>>>>> 3abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C >>>>>> 636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAI >>>>>> JY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.limestoneranchhoa.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdiscussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cadrian.voorkamp%40jci.com%7Cd63687793abd4dc6476908d6ca8a4610%7Ca1f1e2147ded45b681a19e8ae3459641%7C0%7C0%7C636919092568425095&amp;sdata=iWus737o2UDSqH4AuryeZs086ymNdDcN2uBJ9czAIJY%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discussion mailing list >>>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discussion mailing list >>>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please >>> visit: >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discussion mailing list >>> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >>> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: >>> >>> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discussion mailing list >> Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com >> >> To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com > > To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: > http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.limestoneranchhoa.com To manage your subscription to this list, or to unsubscribe, please visit: http://lists.limestoneranchhoa.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion_lists.limestoneranchhoa.com