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DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

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Mike Monett
Thu, Jul 7, 2022 1:52 PM

You wrote:

Mike.
One concern I have with active components as mixer is noise. For an SA I
designed only a passive DB diode mixer had low enough output noise. Would a
PF detector as being an active component, not create more noise as output?
Erik

Eric, you do not have to give up your double balanced mixer. You can use a
phase/frequency detector to lock the reference to the DUT, and still use
the DBM to do the phase noise analysis.

Here is a block diagram of the circuit: pna.png

I don't know if this is going to work, so I will send this email and wait
for it to show up in the lists. If it does, I have a lot more information
for you.

You wrote: > Mike. > One concern I have with active components as mixer is noise. For an SA I > designed only a passive DB diode mixer had low enough output noise. Would a > PF detector as being an active component, not create more noise as output? > Erik Eric, you do not have to give up your double balanced mixer. You can use a phase/frequency detector to lock the reference to the DUT, and still use the DBM to do the phase noise analysis. Here is a block diagram of the circuit: pna.png I don't know if this is going to work, so I will send this email and wait for it to show up in the lists. If it does, I have a lot more information for you.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Thu, Jul 7, 2022 10:25 PM

Hi

The idea is partly to lock the two devices. The bigger objective is to hold
the mixer output at the correct zero volt operating point.

Cabling things to a different device and then doing phase correction to keep
things at zero would be a major pain.

Bob

On Jul 7, 2022, at 5:52 AM, Mike Monett via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

You wrote:

Mike.
One concern I have with active components as mixer is noise. For an SA I
designed only a passive DB diode mixer had low enough output noise. Would a
PF detector as being an active component, not create more noise as output?
Erik

Eric, you do not have to give up your double balanced mixer. You can use a
phase/frequency detector to lock the reference to the DUT, and still use
the DBM to do the phase noise analysis.

Here is a block diagram of the circuit: pna.png

I don't know if this is going to work, so I will send this email and wait
for it to show up in the lists. If it does, I have a lot more information
for you.

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Hi The idea is partly to lock the two devices. The bigger objective is to hold the mixer output at the correct zero volt operating point. Cabling things to a different device and then doing phase correction to keep things at zero would be a major pain. Bob > On Jul 7, 2022, at 5:52 AM, Mike Monett via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > You wrote: > >> Mike. >> One concern I have with active components as mixer is noise. For an SA I >> designed only a passive DB diode mixer had low enough output noise. Would a >> PF detector as being an active component, not create more noise as output? >> Erik > > Eric, you do not have to give up your double balanced mixer. You can use a > phase/frequency detector to lock the reference to the DUT, and still use > the DBM to do the phase noise analysis. > > Here is a block diagram of the circuit: pna.png > > I don't know if this is going to work, so I will send this email and wait > for it to show up in the lists. If it does, I have a lot more information > for you. > > > > > > > > > <PNA.png>_______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com