Re: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent

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alanse@iinet.net.au
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 11:29 PM

How about the Roger Hill designed CS Yachts Power Cat 42 - would be
ideal for the warm water cruising contemplated.
One listed for sale on Yachtworld.com
regards
Alan

On Sun Sep 27 6:45 , "Noelle Harrott" sent:

Well, here's another two cents worth of opinion on the equivalent
topic...
Christian, you've stated that your primary cruising area will be in
warm
latitudes which would eliminate one of the Nordhavn's prime
attributes.
They are a "wild-weather" boat, great insulation,
heating and a protected pilothouse with good visibility. Their
hullforms are
designed for formidable seakeeping. In an awful sea-state I would
probably
feel most secure (and comfortable) in a Nordhavn than in a similarly
sized
Powercat. The displacement difference of the two designs probably
accounts
for much of that difference.

If size and cost should be equivalent as well as rang and speed then
I must
agree with Mark that sailing cats are worth a look.
The Gunboat 48 is unique in that it has a fabulous inside steering
station
as well as a forward cockpit. If sailing is not out of the question
then the
Gunboat offers speeds around twice that of the smaller Nordhavns.
Motoring
speeds should also exceed that of the monohull.By adding a backup
watermaker
and converting the watertanks to fuel,
motoring range becomes very useful. The sailing capabilities only add
to
the safety at sea
The build quality of these boats is very high and the space
advantages will
add to boating enjoyment.
I'm sure that Rod Gibbons could weigh in with some valuable insights
on the
topic.
Thank you for posing such a stimulating question on this list which
has been
rather dormant of late.

Regards, Bert Harrott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Georgs Kolesnikovs" <gxk@earthlink .net>
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:08 AM
Subject: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd:
equivalent

Bill and others--

The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the

Crosswaters

is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:

http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/

Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking

price

of 795,000 USD.

I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as

Wind

Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they

are

larger, more spacious yachts.

http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp

Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer

or

builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so

is

another thing altogether.

But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean

ocean-

crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.

--Georgs

PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find

this

discussion.

On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:

For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the best all-around boat for the $$.

Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD

what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......

Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian


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How about the Roger Hill designed CS Yachts Power Cat 42 - would be ideal for the warm water cruising contemplated. One listed for sale on Yachtworld.com regards Alan On Sun Sep 27 6:45 , "Noelle Harrott" sent: Well, here's another two cents worth of opinion on the equivalent topic... Christian, you've stated that your primary cruising area will be in warm latitudes which would eliminate one of the Nordhavn's prime attributes. They are a "wild-weather" boat, great insulation, heating and a protected pilothouse with good visibility. Their hullforms are designed for formidable seakeeping. In an awful sea-state I would probably feel most secure (and comfortable) in a Nordhavn than in a similarly sized Powercat. The displacement difference of the two designs probably accounts for much of that difference. If size and cost should be equivalent as well as rang and speed then I must agree with Mark that sailing cats are worth a look. The Gunboat 48 is unique in that it has a fabulous inside steering station as well as a forward cockpit. If sailing is not out of the question then the Gunboat offers speeds around twice that of the smaller Nordhavns. Motoring speeds should also exceed that of the monohull.By adding a backup watermaker and converting the watertanks to fuel, motoring range becomes very useful. The sailing capabilities only add to the safety at sea The build quality of these boats is very high and the space advantages will add to boating enjoyment. I'm sure that Rod Gibbons could weigh in with some valuable insights on the topic. Thank you for posing such a stimulating question on this list which has been rather dormant of late. Regards, Bert Harrott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgs Kolesnikovs" <gxk@earthlink .net> To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:08 AM Subject: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent > Bill and others-- > > The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters > is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos, > completing a circumnavigation of the world this year: > > http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/ > > Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price > of 795,000 USD. > > I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind > Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are > larger, more spacious yachts. > > http://chrysalisvoyage.com/ > http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp > > Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or > builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is > another thing altogether. > > But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean- > crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43. > > --Georgs > > PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this > discussion. > > > On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote: > >> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a >> Crosswater >> http://crosswatercats.com/ >> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it >> is the best all-around boat for the $$. >> >> Bill Carlson >> Ocean City MD >> >>> >>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, >>> comfort to >>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull....... >>> >>> Thanks for your input. >>> Best Regards >>> Christian > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List )
HC
Henry Clews
Sun, Sep 27, 2009 3:20 AM

The CS Yachts Power Cat 42 had some shortcomings, production never
really got off the ground.  In this size range, the PDQ 41 is a better
design, IMHO.  In fact, the PDQ might stand up quite well in a
comparison with the Nordhavn 43.  In warm waters she'd be more fun
with her huge fly bridge - and don't forget her ability to cruise
economically at 18 knots!  Several PDQ's are available in the $500 K's.

Henry
www.snodoglog.com

On Sep 26, 2009, at 7:29 PM, alanse@iinet.net.au wrote:

How about the Roger Hill designed CS Yachts Power Cat 42 - would be
ideal for the warm water cruising contemplated.
One listed for sale on Yachtworld.com
regards
Alan

The CS Yachts Power Cat 42 had some shortcomings, production never really got off the ground. In this size range, the PDQ 41 is a better design, IMHO. In fact, the PDQ might stand up quite well in a comparison with the Nordhavn 43. In warm waters she'd be more fun with her huge fly bridge - and don't forget her ability to cruise economically at 18 knots! Several PDQ's are available in the $500 K's. Henry www.snodoglog.com On Sep 26, 2009, at 7:29 PM, alanse@iinet.net.au wrote: > How about the Roger Hill designed CS Yachts Power Cat 42 - would be > ideal for the warm water cruising contemplated. > One listed for sale on Yachtworld.com > regards > Alan