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Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

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Al Thomason
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 2:11 AM

Another advantage of doing this is you can get a 'real' MSSI number issued
from the FCC.  One that is registered in the international databases, as
opposed to the 'local only' options (As I understand it, from a block of
numbers set aside for re-use by each country) from such as BoatUS, etc.

Advantage is many (most?) response agencies have access to the international
databases while information associated with the 'local only' MSSI numbers,
being not included in those databases, require additional special steps.

-al-

-----Original Message-----
From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Ron Matuska
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:57 AM
To: Loop List Great, Loop List
Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years.

Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures.

While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license,
our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to
Nova Scotia.  We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations.

Another advantage of doing this is you can get a 'real' MSSI number issued from the FCC. One that is registered in the international databases, as opposed to the 'local only' options (As I understand it, from a block of numbers set aside for re-use by each country) from such as BoatUS, etc. Advantage is many (most?) response agencies have access to the international databases while information associated with the 'local only' MSSI numbers, being not included in those databases, require additional special steps. -al- -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Ron Matuska Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:57 AM To: Loop List Great, Loop List Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada. Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years. Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures. While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license, our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to Nova Scotia. We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations.
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Bruce and Bev Freese
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:05 PM

I would like to hear what others who have completed the loop thru Canada have done with this issue.  Calling the various agencies in the US and Canada  will not get two answers the same.  Neither US registered or Canadian registered pleasure craft in their own waters are required to have one,  but no common answer when you cross the invisible border.

I would like to hear what others who have completed the loop thru Canada have done with this issue. Calling the various agencies in the US and Canada will not get two answers the same. Neither US registered or Canadian registered pleasure craft in their own waters are required to have one, but no common answer when you cross the invisible border.
RL
Roger Lalonde
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:21 PM

I need to have a proper station license to travel in US waters. Check this
site... You decide...

Roger Lalonde
Summerstown Ontario Canada

http://boating.ncf.ca/canadaborder.html#fcc

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce and Bev Freese
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

I need to have a proper station license to travel in US waters. Check this site... You decide... Roger Lalonde Summerstown Ontario Canada http://boating.ncf.ca/canadaborder.html#fcc -----Original Message----- From: Bruce and Bev Freese Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.
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John & Judy Gill
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:44 PM

Bruce and Bev + List.

You  are correct that US vessels operating in the States and Canadian vessels operating in Canada are no longer required to have any VHF Radio licenses.  However by virtue of a Treaty (not sure if just between US and CA or International, US vessels operating outside the United States are required to have both a Restricted Operators License as well as a Station License.  Canadian vessels operating in the States are required to have their Canadian equivalent licenses.  Licenses are available On-Line from the Federal Communications Commission.  Many boaters do not get licenses, but if they need to call the authorities (Canadian Coast Guard, Provincial Police or RCMP) they better have them and use their call sign when broadcasting.  BTW, they are not cheap!

John and Judy Gill
Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5
Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner
Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD
AGLCA Life Members, Gold Flag Loopers & Harbor Hosts
USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members
eMail:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
Website:  http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Bruce and Bev Freese wrote:

I would like to hear what others who have completed the loop thru Canada have done with this issue.  Calling the various agencies in the US and Canada  will not get two answers the same.  Neither US registered or Canadian registered pleasure craft in their own waters are required to have one,  but no common answer when you cross the invisible border.


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Bruce and Bev + List. You are correct that US vessels operating in the States and Canadian vessels operating in Canada are no longer required to have any VHF Radio licenses. However by virtue of a Treaty (not sure if just between US and CA or International, US vessels operating outside the United States are required to have both a Restricted Operators License as well as a Station License. Canadian vessels operating in the States are required to have their Canadian equivalent licenses. Licenses are available On-Line from the Federal Communications Commission. Many boaters do not get licenses, but if they need to call the authorities (Canadian Coast Guard, Provincial Police or RCMP) they better have them and use their call sign when broadcasting. BTW, they are not cheap! John and Judy Gill Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA Life Members, Gold Flag Loopers & Harbor Hosts USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/> ===================================================== On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Bruce and Bev Freese wrote: > > I would like to hear what others who have completed the loop thru Canada have done with this issue. Calling the various agencies in the US and Canada will not get two answers the same. Neither US registered or Canadian registered pleasure craft in their own waters are required to have one, but no common answer when you cross the invisible border. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com
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Ron Matuska
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 4:56 PM

Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years.

Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures.

While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license,
our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to
Nova Scotia.  We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations.

Ron Matuska
Adagio, NT34-318
currently lying Dunedin Municipal Marina

Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years. Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures. While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license, our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to Nova Scotia. We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations. Ron Matuska Adagio, NT34-318 currently lying Dunedin Municipal Marina
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MY ALLEZ
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:01 PM

Radio License??  Canada?? VHF or HF (SSB) Not sure which radio your talking about, I may have missed it. I have a Ships Station License in case I go to Bahamas, out out of the country like Canada.  for the VHF. Station License for VHF is not required in USA. for recreational vessels.
 
My wife and I are both Licensed Ham Operatiors and work SSB
as a Maritime Mobile KJ4UGE.   We are starting the Loop in the spring and I look forward to working the Ham Bands while in Canada. I am told the U.S/Canada have reciprocal agreements for Ham BAnds and I dont need a license to operate ham in Canada.  I try to check into the Waterway Radio Cruising Club each day.  see www.waterwayradio.net    Go to www.qrz.com and in the search box type in KJ4UGE and
we have a small bio and pics there. You m ight have to scroll down a lil.

Capt Helen & Chief Engr Bob Kovach
   KJ4UGF                        KJ4UGE
Onboard ALLEZ! Lying Marathon, FL
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com


From: Roger Lalonde seabreez@cogeco.ca
To: Bruce and Bev Freese bbfreese@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

I need to have a proper station license to travel in US waters. Check this site... You decide...

Roger Lalonde
Summerstown Ontario Canada

http://boating.ncf.ca/canadaborder.html#fcc

-----Original Message----- From: Bruce and Bev Freese
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.


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Radio License??  Canada?? VHF or HF (SSB) Not sure which radio your talking about, I may have missed it. I have a Ships Station License in case I go to Bahamas, out out of the country like Canada.  for the VHF. Station License for VHF is not required in USA. for recreational vessels.   My wife and I are both Licensed Ham Operatiors and work SSB as a Maritime Mobile KJ4UGE.   We are starting the Loop in the spring and I look forward to working the Ham Bands while in Canada. I am told the U.S/Canada have reciprocal agreements for Ham BAnds and I dont need a license to operate ham in Canada.  I try to check into the Waterway Radio Cruising Club each day.  see www.waterwayradio.net    Go to www.qrz.com and in the search box type in KJ4UGE and we have a small bio and pics there. You m ight have to scroll down a lil. Capt Helen & Chief Engr Bob Kovach    KJ4UGF                        KJ4UGE Onboard ALLEZ! Lying Marathon, FL M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Roger Lalonde <seabreez@cogeco.ca> To: Bruce and Bev Freese <bbfreese@hotmail.com>; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada. I need to have a proper station license to travel in US waters. Check this site... You decide... Roger Lalonde Summerstown Ontario Canada http://boating.ncf.ca/canadaborder.html#fcc -----Original Message----- From: Bruce and Bev Freese Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada. _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com
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Mike Eedy
Sun, Feb 26, 2012 5:08 PM

Well the FCC says you need both a station license and operator permit.

"Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to
foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations.
Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous
conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico,
Bahamas, British Virgin Islands), a license is required. Additionally, if
you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit."

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing&id=ship_stations

and Canada will accept your US operator permit

"Currently, all VHF radio operators are required to have a Restricted
Operator's Certificate (ROC) with maritime qualifications. Canada recognizes
the American Certificate."

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/debs-obs-quick-quick_visitor-1610.htm#g

CHeers

Mike Eedy
North Bay ON
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce and Bev Freese" bbfreese@hotmail.com
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

Well the FCC says you need both a station license and operator permit. "Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations. Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands), a license is required. Additionally, if you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit." http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing&id=ship_stations and Canada will accept your US operator permit "Currently, all VHF radio operators are required to have a Restricted Operator's Certificate (ROC) with maritime qualifications. Canada recognizes the American Certificate." http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/debs-obs-quick-quick_visitor-1610.htm#g CHeers Mike Eedy North Bay ON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce and Bev Freese" <bbfreese@hotmail.com> To: <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.
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MY ALLEZ
Mon, Feb 27, 2012 8:43 AM

We established an "FRN" account with the FCC when we got our Ham License and it has been easy to do stuff on line and pay with credit card. We got the "Real MMSI" Numbers for Intl Data Base,  Issued by FCC, Ships Call sign, Restricted Radio Telephone Operators Permit., the whole enchalada?  The nice thing about the FCC is you can talk to a person, they answer the telephone and even follow up with you like they say they will, like call you back. We are good to go for 10 years on the Ham License.

Capt Bob Kovach
KJ4UGE/MM Onboard ALLEZ Lying Marathon, FL.
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969, WRCC
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com


From: Al Thomason thomason.al@gmail.com
To: "'Loop List Great, Loop List'" great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

Another advantage of doing this is you can get a 'real' MSSI number issued
from the FCC.  One that is registered in the international databases, as
opposed to the 'local only' options (As I understand it, from a block of
numbers set aside for re-use by each country) from such as BoatUS, etc.

Advantage is many (most?) response agencies have access to the international
databases while information associated with the 'local only' MSSI numbers,
being not included in those databases, require additional special steps.

-al-

-----Original Message-----
From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Ron Matuska
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:57 AM
To: Loop List Great, Loop List
Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada.

Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years.

Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures.

While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license,
our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to
Nova Scotia.  We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations.


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We established an "FRN" account with the FCC when we got our Ham License and it has been easy to do stuff on line and pay with credit card. We got the "Real MMSI" Numbers for Intl Data Base,  Issued by FCC, Ships Call sign, Restricted Radio Telephone Operators Permit., the whole enchalada?  The nice thing about the FCC is you can talk to a person, they answer the telephone and even follow up with you like they say they will, like call you back. We are good to go for 10 years on the Ham License. Capt Bob Kovach KJ4UGE/MM Onboard ALLEZ Lying Marathon, FL. M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969, WRCC USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Al Thomason <thomason.al@gmail.com> To: "'Loop List Great, Loop List'" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada. Another advantage of doing this is you can get a 'real' MSSI number issued from the FCC.  One that is registered in the international databases, as opposed to the 'local only' options (As I understand it, from a block of numbers set aside for re-use by each country) from such as BoatUS, etc. Advantage is many (most?) response agencies have access to the international databases while information associated with the 'local only' MSSI numbers, being not included in those databases, require additional special steps. -al- -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Ron Matuska Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:57 AM To: Loop List Great, Loop List Subject: Re: GL: Radio license for US vessels traveling to Canada. Our FCC Ship's License was US $160.00, good for 10 years. Completed on line with little difficulty, just follow the procedures. While many US boats headed for Canada may choose not to obtain the license, our long range cruising plans included travelling down the St. Lawrence to Nova Scotia.  We thought it prudent to comply with all regulations. _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com