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Barry Wellman

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 1:53 PM

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped
yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong
somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and
short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to
you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me
where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world
that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________

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Mike Oren

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:02 PM

I agree with this insight, but I think the problem with GPS units is
primarily the choices made in the visual display. While the initial
decisions were probably due to technical limitations of the GPS, the current
technology would allow for a much more robust display of information. I
always zoom out on a GPS display to see the wider world around it and look
at some streets before and after important turns. One thing that has always
bothered me though is that GPS does not tell me what it's alternate route
would be if I chose to purposely miss an exit (or missed it on accident).
Instead, I have to pass it up and then wait for it to recalculate. There's
no reason why the current units cannot hold the alternative route in memory
in addition to the original (and display it in a fashion that let's me know
my options). GPS units are me-centric but they are also highly prescriptive
and authoritarian, originally (possibly) a technological limitation, now a
conscious design decision.

Michael A. Oren
PhD in Human-Computer Interaction & Sociology

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Barry Wellman wellman@chass.utoronto.cawrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped
yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong
somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short
term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to
you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me
where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world
that way.

Barry Wellman
****

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellmanhttp://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:
+1-416-978-3963
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I agree with this insight, but I think the problem with GPS units is primarily the choices made in the visual display. While the initial decisions were probably due to technical limitations of the GPS, the current technology would allow for a much more robust display of information. I always zoom out on a GPS display to see the wider world around it and look at some streets before and after important turns. One thing that has always bothered me though is that GPS does not tell me what it's alternate route would be if I chose to purposely miss an exit (or missed it on accident). Instead, I have to pass it up and then wait for it to recalculate. There's no reason why the current units cannot hold the alternative route in memory in addition to the original (and display it in a fashion that let's me know my options). GPS units are me-centric but they are also highly prescriptive and authoritarian, originally (possibly) a technological limitation, now a conscious design decision. Michael A. Oren PhD in Human-Computer Interaction & Sociology On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped > yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong > somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short > term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to > you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me > where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world > that way. > > > Barry Wellman > ______________________________**______________________________** > ___________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~**wellman<http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman> fax: > +1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/**oldnew/cybertimes.php<http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php> > ______________________________**______________________________** > ___________ > > > ______________________________**_________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/**mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.**citasa.org<http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org> >

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Valdis Krebs

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:12 PM

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
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On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman wellman@chass.utoronto.ca wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com http://orgnet.com http://thenetworkthinkers.com On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

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Moore, Christopher

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:15 PM

Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better.

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
valdis@orgnet.com
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com

On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman wellman@chass.utoronto.ca wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better. Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Sociology Lakeland College P.O. Box 359 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 Office: (920) 565-1367 moorec@lakeland.edu -----Original Message----- From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM To: Barry Wellman Cc: communication and information technology section asa Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com http://orgnet.com http://thenetworkthinkers.com On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

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Brenda Brasher

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:22 PM

I'm with you re maps.

But when you simply need to go from pt A to pt B in the shortest time, the gps delivers.

Brenda
Dr. B. Brasher

On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Barry Wellman wellman@chass.utoronto.ca wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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I'm with you re maps. But when you simply need to go from pt A to pt B in the shortest time, the gps delivers. Brenda Dr. B. Brasher On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

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nathan jurgenson

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:25 PM

" I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better."

sounds like what you want is an electronic map.

nathan

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher moorec@lakeland.eduwrote:

Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is
fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for
a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better.

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:
citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW...
Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
valdis@orgnet.com
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com

On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman wellman@chass.utoronto.ca
wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped

yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong

somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and

short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to

you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me

where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world
that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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" I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better." sounds like what you want is an electronic map. nathan On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher <moorec@lakeland.edu>wrote: > Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is > fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for > a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better. > > Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Sociology > Lakeland College > P.O. Box 359 > Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 > > Office: (920) 565-1367 > moorec@lakeland.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto: > citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM > To: Barry Wellman > Cc: communication and information technology section asa > Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map > > Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... > Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview > > Valdis Krebs > valdis@orgnet.com > http://orgnet.com > http://thenetworkthinkers.com > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> > wrote: > > > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped > yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong > somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and > short term: where you are going > > > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to > you to place yourself in its context. > > > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me > where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world > that way. > > > > > > Barry Wellman > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CITASA mailing list > > CITASA@list.citasa.org > > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org >

SG

Simon Gottschalk

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:30 PM

Also...
With the GPS, we look at the screen, with a map we look back and forth
between it and our surroundings.
Could relying on a GPS also atrophy our ability to orient ourselves in
space, to mentally project ourselves in space, to trust our spatial
intuition?

On 9/7/2011 7:15 AM, Moore, Christopher wrote:

Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better.

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
valdis@orgnet.com
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com

On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellmanwellman@chass.utoronto.ca wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php

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Also... With the GPS, we look at the screen, with a map we look back and forth between it and our surroundings. Could relying on a GPS also atrophy our ability to orient ourselves in space, to mentally project ourselves in space, to trust our spatial intuition? On 9/7/2011 7:15 AM, Moore, Christopher wrote: > Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better. > > Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Sociology > Lakeland College > P.O. Box 359 > Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 > > Office: (920) 565-1367 > moorec@lakeland.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM > To: Barry Wellman > Cc: communication and information technology section asa > Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map > > Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview > > Valdis Krebs > valdis@orgnet.com > http://orgnet.com > http://thenetworkthinkers.com > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman<wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote: > >> Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself >> >> Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. >> >> GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going >> >> Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. >> >> In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. >> >> >> Barry Wellman >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director >> Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 >> University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman >> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 >> Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CITASA mailing list >> CITASA@list.citasa.org >> http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > -- Simon Gottschalk, Ph.D. Associate Professor Director of Graduate Studies CBC B-244 Department of Sociology University of Nevada, Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89154-5033 Phone: 702-895-0266 Fax: 702-895-4800

MC

Moore, Christopher

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:34 PM

(Respectfully) Nope --- while this may be sacrilegious to say it on this list serve, my time in the Marines made me appreciate the value of "all things that can't (easily) break." I suppose it matters too that I mostly use maps and GPS when I'm on extended wilderness trips and the like. Yes, I'm "that guy" who uses his GPS software mostly to create and print waypoint maps, adds them to his pile of Voyageur maps, stows the GPS (for "just in case), and heads off with a trusty compass. Anyway - I think I've just succeeded in identifying myself as a tangential GPS user! I'll give way now to "real users."
Best,
-Chris

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu

From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of nathan jurgenson
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:25 AM
To: citasa@list.citasa.org
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" I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better."

sounds like what you want is an electronic map.
nathan

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher <moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> wrote:
Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better.

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu

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From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM
To: Barry Wellman
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Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
valdis@orgnet.com mailto:valdis@orgnet.com
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com

On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca mailto:wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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(Respectfully) Nope --- while this may be sacrilegious to say it on this list serve, my time in the Marines made me appreciate the value of "all things that can't (easily) break." I suppose it matters too that I mostly use maps and GPS when I'm on extended wilderness trips and the like. Yes, I'm "that guy" who uses his GPS software mostly to create and print waypoint maps, adds them to his pile of Voyageur maps, stows the GPS (for "just in case), and heads off with a trusty compass. Anyway - I think I've just succeeded in identifying myself as a tangential GPS user! I'll give way now to "real users." Best, -Chris Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Sociology Lakeland College P.O. Box 359 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 Office: (920) 565-1367 moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of nathan jurgenson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:25 AM To: citasa@list.citasa.org Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map " I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better." sounds like what you want is an electronic map. nathan On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher <moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu>> wrote: Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better. Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Sociology Lakeland College P.O. Box 359 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 Office: (920) 565-1367 moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> -----Original Message----- From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org> [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org>] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM To: Barry Wellman Cc: communication and information technology section asa Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com<mailto:valdis@orgnet.com> http://orgnet.com http://thenetworkthinkers.com On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca<mailto:wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>> wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

AM

André Mondoux

Wed, Sep 7, 2011 3:02 PM

I am presently working on the integration of GPS in social medias. I view
this integration as both part of 1) what I call hyperindividualism (the
predominance of the «I» over the «US») and 2) the system-world; i.e. The GPS
coordinates as access to the the Real without apparent
symbolical/ideological/political mediation).

Andre Mondoux
Quebec University in Montreal
Media School

Le 11-09-07 09:53, « Barry Wellman » wellman@chass.utoronto.ca a écrit :

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped
yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong
somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and
short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to
you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me
where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world
that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC               NetLab Director
Department of Sociology                  725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto   Toronto Canada M5S 2J4   twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman             fax:+1-416-978-3963
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I am presently working on the integration of GPS in social medias. I view this integration as both part of 1) what I call hyperindividualism (the predominance of the «I» over the «US») and 2) the system-world; i.e. The GPS coordinates as access to the the Real without apparent symbolical/ideological/political mediation). Andre Mondoux Quebec University in Montreal Media School Le 11-09-07 09:53, « Barry Wellman » <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> a écrit : > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped > yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong > somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and > short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to > you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me > where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world > that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

DL

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Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:07 PM

Dr. Moore; Spoken as a healthy technology user. Might this be considered tampering with evolution? Perhaps... though it may cost you your next invitation to a RAVE, it keeps the wet works agile.

Cheers, David

From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Moore, Christopher
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:34 AM
To: nathan jurgenson; citasa@list.citasa.org
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

(Respectfully) Nope --- while this may be sacrilegious to say it on this list serve, my time in the Marines made me appreciate the value of "all things that can't (easily) break." I suppose it matters too that I mostly use maps and GPS when I'm on extended wilderness trips and the like. Yes, I'm "that guy" who uses his GPS software mostly to create and print waypoint maps, adds them to his pile of Voyageur maps, stows the GPS (for "just in case), and heads off with a trusty compass. Anyway - I think I've just succeeded in identifying myself as a tangential GPS user! I'll give way now to "real users."
Best,
-Chris

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359
Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu

From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of nathan jurgenson
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:25 AM
To: citasa@list.citasa.org
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

" I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better."

sounds like what you want is an electronic map.
nathan
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher <moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> wrote:
Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better.

Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Sociology
Lakeland College
P.O. Box 359
Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359

Office: (920) 565-1367
moorec@lakeland.edu mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu

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From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa
Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map

Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview

Valdis Krebs
valdis@orgnet.com mailto:valdis@orgnet.com
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com

On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca mailto:wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:

Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself

Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps.

GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going

Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context.

In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php

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Dr. Moore; Spoken as a healthy technology user. Might this be considered tampering with evolution? Perhaps... though it may cost you your next invitation to a RAVE, it keeps the wet works agile. Cheers, David From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Moore, Christopher Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:34 AM To: nathan jurgenson; citasa@list.citasa.org Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map (Respectfully) Nope --- while this may be sacrilegious to say it on this list serve, my time in the Marines made me appreciate the value of "all things that can't (easily) break." I suppose it matters too that I mostly use maps and GPS when I'm on extended wilderness trips and the like. Yes, I'm "that guy" who uses his GPS software mostly to create and print waypoint maps, adds them to his pile of Voyageur maps, stows the GPS (for "just in case), and heads off with a trusty compass. Anyway - I think I've just succeeded in identifying myself as a tangential GPS user! I'll give way now to "real users." Best, -Chris Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Sociology Lakeland College P.O. Box 359 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 Office: (920) 565-1367 moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of nathan jurgenson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:25 AM To: citasa@list.citasa.org Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map " I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better." sounds like what you want is an electronic map. nathan On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Moore, Christopher <moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu>> wrote: Precisely what I was thinking. If I know of a point I want to reach, GPS is fine. However, when I want to figure our "where I want to go," I reach for a map -- the bigger and more detailed the better. Christopher D. Moore, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Sociology Lakeland College P.O. Box 359 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0359 Office: (920) 565-1367 moorec@lakeland.edu<mailto:moorec@lakeland.edu> -----Original Message----- From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org> [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org>] On Behalf Of Valdis Krebs Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:12 AM To: Barry Wellman Cc: communication and information technology section asa Subject: Re: [CITASA] gps - map Kind of like the difference between Search and Browsing on the WWW... Search/GPS/specific vs Browsing/physical maps/general overview Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com<mailto:valdis@orgnet.com> http://orgnet.com http://thenetworkthinkers.com On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca<mailto:wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>> wrote: > Had this thought too late for The Book (copyediting responses shipped yesterday), but too good to keep to myself > > Ever since I had a convo with my niece, I've been meditating on gong somewhere via GPS or olde fashioned maps. > > GPS is almost totally Me-centric. Where you are (tightly focused) and short term: where you are going > > Maps are more society centric -- you get the big picture, and it is up to you to place yourself in its context. > > In RL, best to use both, altho given the choice, I'd take maps. Got me where I'm going for 60+ years, and I do get to be more aware of the world that way. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director > Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 > University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 > Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org<mailto:CITASA@list.citasa.org> http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

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