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Incident on the Pongo River

RY
Ralph Yost
Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:48 AM

This was posted to the MTOA listserv and I thought this story was worthy to
be shared with the Great Loop group.
Perhaps one of us will encounter these two boats along the way.
R.

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Klawe partnersinparadise@yahoo.com
To: MTOA-listserv

Partners in Paradise left Baltimore on October 8th for our leisurely trip
down
the ICW to Florida and the Bahamas. We have had two minor mechanical issues
and
several weather issues. If it isn't nice, we don't go.

On Tuesday the 19th we were at the north end of the Pongo river where it is
quite narrow moving along at 8.5 mph. My wife was driving and talking to a
sailboat on the VHF when I heard her scream look out. A 50' Ocean sportfish
(Chieftain out of Dover, DE) was on our port side on a plane about 60' away.
No
radio traffic, just there they were. As soon as he got next to us he slowed
down which made his wake even worse. Within seconds a second 50' Ocean
sportfish
(Mad Hunt out of Virginia Beach, VA) did exactly the same thing. We did not
have time to turn into or out of their wakes and we rolled to the point
where my
84 father-in-law who fortunately was sitting down on the starboard side of
the
boat lost sight of the boats next to us. I estimate our roll at at least
20-25
degrees. Everything that was not tied down went to the starboard side of the
boat and lots of little trinkets and souvenirs were destroyed. A forty pound
tool box that was on non-skid and had a steel bar in front of it went
airborne
over the bar and landed on my wife's laptop computer. $1,200 down the drain
in
addition to the personal property destroyed.

I yelled at them in the most colorful terms I could think of and they never
answered or acknowledged. We received reports and photo's of the boats and
made
a report to the USCG and NC Natural Resources Police. Both agencies told us
there is no follow up possible because of jurisdiction issues with law
enforcement and the USCG evidently does not do anything other than catalog
these
incidents. That night one of my children went on line and I was ultimately
able
to speak to the owner of the second boat. I will not share their comments
with
the MTOA'ers. Fortunately no one was injured but our trip to Best Buy
yesterday
cost us the price of a new computer, car rental for a day, two days into a
marina and with weather issues closing in, we will stay until Saturday.

On a positive note, the folks at Belhaven Waterway Marina have been
spectacular.
When I spoke with them on the VHF they new who we were and what had
happened.
They had four or five people out there to help with the lines and told me
just
get it in our channel and we will get you in. The Enterprise Car Rental in
Washington, NC was very gracious and they came 30 miles to pick us up and
then
drop us off when we were finished.

Anyway, if you encounter a 50' Ocean by the name of Chieftain from Dover, DE
and/or a 50' Ocean Mad Hunt from Virginia Beach, VA tell then we said hello.
Our wakes will cross again sometime. If anyone finds them somewhere tied up
for the winter an e-mail would be appreciated. When I spoke with the
operator
of Mad Hunt he told me he heard all the colorful things I had to say and
admonished me for it. He did not ever answer or ask if we were ok. Both
boats
were operated by rather classless individuals.
Attitude is the difference
between an ordeal or an
ADVENTURE!!!!!

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This was posted to the MTOA listserv and I thought this story was worthy to be shared with the Great Loop group. Perhaps one of us will encounter these two boats along the way. R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Klawe partnersinparadise@yahoo.com To: MTOA-listserv Partners in Paradise left Baltimore on October 8th for our leisurely trip down the ICW to Florida and the Bahamas. We have had two minor mechanical issues and several weather issues. If it isn't nice, we don't go. On Tuesday the 19th we were at the north end of the Pongo river where it is quite narrow moving along at 8.5 mph. My wife was driving and talking to a sailboat on the VHF when I heard her scream look out. A 50' Ocean sportfish (Chieftain out of Dover, DE) was on our port side on a plane about 60' away. No radio traffic, just there they were. As soon as he got next to us he slowed down which made his wake even worse. Within seconds a second 50' Ocean sportfish (Mad Hunt out of Virginia Beach, VA) did exactly the same thing. We did not have time to turn into or out of their wakes and we rolled to the point where my 84 father-in-law who fortunately was sitting down on the starboard side of the boat lost sight of the boats next to us. I estimate our roll at at least 20-25 degrees. Everything that was not tied down went to the starboard side of the boat and lots of little trinkets and souvenirs were destroyed. A forty pound tool box that was on non-skid and had a steel bar in front of it went airborne over the bar and landed on my wife's laptop computer. $1,200 down the drain in addition to the personal property destroyed. I yelled at them in the most colorful terms I could think of and they never answered or acknowledged. We received reports and photo's of the boats and made a report to the USCG and NC Natural Resources Police. Both agencies told us there is no follow up possible because of jurisdiction issues with law enforcement and the USCG evidently does not do anything other than catalog these incidents. That night one of my children went on line and I was ultimately able to speak to the owner of the second boat. I will not share their comments with the MTOA'ers. Fortunately no one was injured but our trip to Best Buy yesterday cost us the price of a new computer, car rental for a day, two days into a marina and with weather issues closing in, we will stay until Saturday. On a positive note, the folks at Belhaven Waterway Marina have been spectacular. When I spoke with them on the VHF they new who we were and what had happened. They had four or five people out there to help with the lines and told me just get it in our channel and we will get you in. The Enterprise Car Rental in Washington, NC was very gracious and they came 30 miles to pick us up and then drop us off when we were finished. Anyway, if you encounter a 50' Ocean by the name of Chieftain from Dover, DE and/or a 50' Ocean Mad Hunt from Virginia Beach, VA tell then we said hello. Our wakes will cross again sometime. If anyone finds them somewhere tied up for the winter an e-mail would be appreciated. When I spoke with the operator of Mad Hunt he told me he heard all the colorful things I had to say and admonished me for it. He did not ever answer or ask if we were ok. Both boats were operated by rather classless individuals. Attitude is the difference between an ordeal or an ADVENTURE!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 1 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. __,_._,___
SD
Salty Dog
Fri, Oct 22, 2010 3:41 AM

Vessel Name:
MAD HUNT

USCG Doc. No.:
1159969

Vessel Service:
RECREATIONAL
IMO Number:
*

Trade Indicator:
Recreational
Call Sign:
*

Hull Material:
FRP (FIBERGLASS)
Hull Number:
XYU01450E404

Ship Builder:
OCEAN YACHTS INC
Year Built:
2004

Length (ft.):
50.5

Hailing Port:
VIRGINIA BEACH VA
Hull Depth (ft.):
7.8

Owner:
CAMELA H LOWERY REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST DTD 5-5-1999
2208 LASKIN ROAD
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 23454
Hull Breadth (ft.):
16.8

Gross Tonnage:
44

Net Tonnage:
35

Documentation Issuance Date:
September 14, 2009
Documentation Expiration Date:
October  31, 2010

Vessel Name: MAD HUNT USCG Doc. No.: 1159969 Vessel Service: RECREATIONAL IMO Number: * Trade Indicator: Recreational Call Sign: * Hull Material: FRP (FIBERGLASS) Hull Number: XYU01450E404 Ship Builder: OCEAN YACHTS INC Year Built: 2004 Length (ft.): 50.5 Hailing Port: VIRGINIA BEACH VA Hull Depth (ft.): 7.8 Owner: CAMELA H LOWERY REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST DTD 5-5-1999 2208 LASKIN ROAD VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 23454 Hull Breadth (ft.): 16.8 Gross Tonnage: 44 Net Tonnage: 35 Documentation Issuance Date: September 14, 2009 Documentation Expiration Date: October 31, 2010
SD
Salty Dog
Fri, Oct 22, 2010 3:50 AM

Is it possible the other boat was a 48' Viking from Dover, DE and not a 50'
Ocean?

Here is the USCG database site:

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/CoastGuard/VesselByName.html

Is it possible the other boat was a 48' Viking from Dover, DE and not a 50' Ocean? Here is the USCG database site: http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/CoastGuard/VesselByName.html
MM
Matt Mattson
Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:13 PM

We have been waked hard many times now, and I would agree - the
attitude we find of these operators is indifference.  Having the
money to buy a first class vessel does not equate with having or
attaining the class to operate it, sadly.

At 5:59 this is one of the most dangerous wakings we had, in the
Venice channel of all places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hySV2X-Shr4

Matt

Mischief  29' Prairie Trawler

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ralph Yost wrote:

Attitude is the difference

We have been waked hard many times now, and I would agree - the attitude we find of these operators is indifference. Having the money to buy a first class vessel does not equate with having or attaining the class to operate it, sadly. At 5:59 this is one of the most dangerous wakings we had, in the Venice channel of all places. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hySV2X-Shr4 Matt Mischief 29' Prairie Trawler On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ralph Yost wrote: > Attitude is the difference
C
captnlen
Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:38 PM

I think the problem is lack of enforcement or ability to obtain damages.

Had two major wakings one while operating a charter tour pontoon boat in
a narrow channel with a 50 footer + and while the boat was damaged,
several passengers ( a group from a nursing home including one 95 year
old) no agency city federal or state would pursue the operator/owner of
the other vessel.

On 10/22/2010 8:13 AM, Matt Mattson wrote:

We have been waked hard many times now, and I would agree - the
attitude we find of these operators is indifference.  Having the
money to buy a first class vessel does not equate with having or
attaining the class to operate it, sadly.

At 5:59 this is one of the most dangerous wakings we had, in the
Venice channel of all places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hySV2X-Shr4

Matt

Mischief  29' Prairie Trawler

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ralph Yost wrote:

Attitude is the difference


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I think the problem is lack of enforcement or ability to obtain damages. Had two major wakings one while operating a charter tour pontoon boat in a narrow channel with a 50 footer + and while the boat was damaged, several passengers ( a group from a nursing home including one 95 year old) no agency city federal or state would pursue the operator/owner of the other vessel. On 10/22/2010 8:13 AM, Matt Mattson wrote: > We have been waked hard many times now, and I would agree - the > attitude we find of these operators is indifference. Having the > money to buy a first class vessel does not equate with having or > attaining the class to operate it, sadly. > > At 5:59 this is one of the most dangerous wakings we had, in the > Venice channel of all places. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hySV2X-Shr4 > > Matt > > Mischief 29' Prairie Trawler > > On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ralph Yost wrote: > >> Attitude is the difference > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop > -- -- Live Long and Prosper Capt. Len Susman, retired Email : trikini2008@embarqmail.com Creator of the TRIKINI Double Outriggers 13-17-6.47-23-D-Spider-F41