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Mechanical choppers for precision instruments

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Randall White
Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:10 PM

Hi Frank,

Do you have any additional information about this? I have a Keithley 148
nanovoltmeter with a now-defunct chopper, and I had considered trying to
either rebuild it, or replace it with a low thermal-EMF reed relay. I
hadn't thought of using a FET. Do you happen to know which Fluke designs
implemented this?
The thermal EMF can probably be dealt with by appropriate packaging and
mounting. The clock feedthrough / charge injection may require a little
more thought. The existing chopper in the 148 has a bucking coil that
can be adjusted to null out the coupling to the input line from the
relay coil.

-Randall

Subject:
[volt-nuts] Fluke 883AB differential voltmeter
From:
"Dr. Frank Stellmach" drfrank.stellmach@freenet.de
Date:
Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:57:12 +0100
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..Final problem was it would not zero properly.

The zero circuit uses two diodes to make a +/- 0.6V supply driving the
offset pot.
The unit was offset so that you could not reach zero and the offset
pot had fairly little range.
Adjusting the chopper didn't help.
I replaced the diodes with three 1.2V reference chips (making a -1.2
to +2.4V supply).
This centered the zero adjustment and gave better range...

Hi Mark,

this problem seems to be related to the mechanical, reed contact chopper.

This device had to be replaced very often, when I worked in a cal lab
about 30 years ago..

I wonder if the unit realy works oK after your modification.

Try to replace the mechanical contact by a FET., like in later Fluke
designs..

Frank



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Hi Frank, Do you have any additional information about this? I have a Keithley 148 nanovoltmeter with a now-defunct chopper, and I had considered trying to either rebuild it, or replace it with a low thermal-EMF reed relay. I hadn't thought of using a FET. Do you happen to know which Fluke designs implemented this? The thermal EMF can probably be dealt with by appropriate packaging and mounting. The clock feedthrough / charge injection may require a little more thought. The existing chopper in the 148 has a bucking coil that can be adjusted to null out the coupling to the input line from the relay coil. -Randall > Subject: > [volt-nuts] Fluke 883AB differential voltmeter > From: > "Dr. Frank Stellmach" <drfrank.stellmach@freenet.de> > Date: > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:57:12 +0100 > To: > volt-nuts@febo.com > > To: > volt-nuts@febo.com > > >>> ..Final problem was it would not zero properly. > The zero circuit uses two diodes to make a +/- 0.6V supply driving the > offset pot. > The unit was offset so that you could not reach zero and the offset > pot had fairly little range. > Adjusting the chopper didn't help. > I replaced the diodes with three 1.2V reference chips (making a -1.2 > to +2.4V supply). > This centered the zero adjustment and gave better range... > > > Hi Mark, > > this problem seems to be related to the mechanical, reed contact chopper. > > This device had to be replaced very often, when I worked in a cal lab > about 30 years ago.. > > I wonder if the unit realy works oK after your modification. > > Try to replace the mechanical contact by a FET., like in later Fluke > designs.. > > Frank > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list > volt-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts