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Re: T&T: Taiwanese boats

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Bucks2@aol.com
Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21 PM

Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about
"Taiwan issues". Am I wrong that most every boat with teak decks suffers from
leaks and from delamination if they have a cored deck? Does not the venerable
Grand Banks (Singapore) occasionally have plywood rot under their decks?  (the
answer is yes)

And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my  goodness. As if every boat built
with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble  eventually with fuel tank
rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to  fuel tank problems, not just
Taiwanese boats.

Pardon, but your bias is showing........

Ken

Can't say I've
ever run into that with a Defever. Not to say it isn't  true in some cases.

Many brands of trawlers built in Taiwan had issues  from build year to build
year.

(2) Fuel tanks are leaking. A common problem on many Taiwanese boats
built around that time.

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Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about "Taiwan issues". Am I wrong that most every boat with teak decks suffers from leaks and from delamination if they have a cored deck? Does not the venerable Grand Banks (Singapore) occasionally have plywood rot under their decks? (the answer is yes) And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my goodness. As if every boat built with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble eventually with fuel tank rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to fuel tank problems, not just Taiwanese boats. Pardon, but your bias is showing........ Ken Can't say I've ever run into that with a Defever. Not to say it isn't true in some cases. Many brands of trawlers built in Taiwan had issues from build year to build year. (2) Fuel tanks are leaking. A common problem on many Taiwanese boats built around that time. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)
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Dan Stone
Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46 PM

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: T&T: Taiwanese boats

Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about
"Taiwan issues". ..........
And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my  goodness. As if every boat
built
with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble  eventually with fuel tank
rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to  fuel tank problems,
not just
Taiwanese boats.

Re Taiwan black iron fuel tanks:

It may be only by accident, but the fuel system layout on an Albin 43 I
owned and recently sold was interesting.  The fuel fills were not located
directly over the tops of the tanks.  Instead, they were located a few feet
forward of the forward ends of the tanks,with the fuel fill hose then coming
down below the deck, turning 90 degrees aft, to connect to the tank fill
fitting on the upper aspect of the forward vertical wall of the tank.  The
result is that, if a deck leak develops around the fuel fill fitting, as is
common, drips miss the tank.  Took a look at the tops of the tanks and they
were in excellent shape.  Presumed the bottoms to be the same, though visual
inspection would have only been possible via one of those fiberoptic scopes.
I have no idea whether this benefit was intentional by design, or
accidental.

Dan Stone
St. Petersburg, FL

----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: T&T: Taiwanese boats > Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about > "Taiwan issues". .......... > And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my goodness. As if every boat > built > with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble eventually with fuel tank > rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to fuel tank problems, > not just > Taiwanese boats. Re Taiwan black iron fuel tanks: It may be only by accident, but the fuel system layout on an Albin 43 I owned and recently sold was interesting. The fuel fills were not located directly over the tops of the tanks. Instead, they were located a few feet forward of the forward ends of the tanks,with the fuel fill hose then coming down below the deck, turning 90 degrees aft, to connect to the tank fill fitting on the upper aspect of the forward vertical wall of the tank. The result is that, if a deck leak develops around the fuel fill fitting, as is common, drips miss the tank. Took a look at the tops of the tanks and they were in excellent shape. Presumed the bottoms to be the same, though visual inspection would have only been possible via one of those fiberoptic scopes. I have no idea whether this benefit was intentional by design, or accidental. Dan Stone St. Petersburg, FL
DK
Dale Kern
Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:37 PM

Ken,

I see your point.  But I figure that's what discourages some, leaving
opportunities for others.  For what it's worth to those with fuel tank issues,
having read on this forum and others regarding steel tanks rusting, I once
made a quick fix on a leaking plastic water tank that would have been a big
pain to remove and repair or replace.  I dropped in a bladder tank.

To get a few more facts together as I shop about for a trawler, I contacted
Jay Claeys at Husky  Portable Containment in Skiatook, OK.  800-260-9950,
918-217-3481. www.huskyportable.com
jay@huskyportable.com

For a custom made 80 gallon bladder tank for diesel fuel, having D-rings
installed in the top of the bladder to prevent collapse upon fuel withdrawal,
one fill fitting, one vent fitting and three withdrawal or return fittings,
the cost was estimated to be between $250 and $300.  Of course the inside of
the old tank needs to be free of sharp edges, but an inexpensive liner of
protective fabric can placed inside to protect the bladder.  And, much if not
all of the tank top may need to be cut away.  It seems that many have had to
resort to cutting up the old tanks to remove anyway.

And, every situation is unique and many of us often underestimate the scope of
projects.....  but for some this could be an easier and durable fix.

Dale
Promised Wind, Cat. 34
Hyde Park, Utah

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Subject: Re: T&T: Taiwanese boats

Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about
"Taiwan issues". Am I wrong that most every boat with teak decks suffers from
leaks and from delamination if they have a cored deck? Does not the venerable
Grand Banks (Singapore) occasionally have plywood rot under their decks?  (the
answer is yes)

And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my  goodness. As if every boat built
with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble  eventually with fuel tank
rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to  fuel tank problems, not
just
Taiwanese boats.

Pardon, but your bias is showing........

Ken

Can't say I've
ever run into that with a Defever. Not to say it isn't  true in some cases.

Many brands of trawlers built in Taiwan had issues  from build year to build
year.

(2) Fuel tanks are leaking. A common problem on many Taiwanese boats
built around that time.

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Ken, I see your point. But I figure that's what discourages some, leaving opportunities for others. For what it's worth to those with fuel tank issues, having read on this forum and others regarding steel tanks rusting, I once made a quick fix on a leaking plastic water tank that would have been a big pain to remove and repair or replace. I dropped in a bladder tank. To get a few more facts together as I shop about for a trawler, I contacted Jay Claeys at Husky Portable Containment in Skiatook, OK. 800-260-9950, 918-217-3481. www.huskyportable.com jay@huskyportable.com For a custom made 80 gallon bladder tank for diesel fuel, having D-rings installed in the top of the bladder to prevent collapse upon fuel withdrawal, one fill fitting, one vent fitting and three withdrawal or return fittings, the cost was estimated to be between $250 and $300. Of course the inside of the old tank needs to be free of sharp edges, but an inexpensive liner of protective fabric can placed inside to protect the bladder. And, much if not all of the tank top may need to be cut away. It seems that many have had to resort to cutting up the old tanks to remove anyway. And, every situation is unique and many of us often underestimate the scope of projects..... but for some this could be an easier and durable fix. Dale Promised Wind, Cat. 34 Hyde Park, Utah -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Bucks2@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:21 PM To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: T&T: Taiwanese boats Wow, dump on Taiwan day? From two almost consecutive posts we hear about "Taiwan issues". Am I wrong that most every boat with teak decks suffers from leaks and from delamination if they have a cored deck? Does not the venerable Grand Banks (Singapore) occasionally have plywood rot under their decks? (the answer is yes) And those terrible Taiwan fuel tanks. Oh my goodness. As if every boat built with black iron tanks doesn't have trouble eventually with fuel tank rusting. Boats that are of a certain age are prone to fuel tank problems, not just Taiwanese boats. Pardon, but your bias is showing........ Ken Can't say I've ever run into that with a Defever. Not to say it isn't true in some cases. Many brands of trawlers built in Taiwan had issues from build year to build year. (2) Fuel tanks are leaking. A common problem on many Taiwanese boats built around that time. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.