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Bridge etiquette ICW

RP
Randy Pickelmann
Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:50 PM

Ralph,
Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly different tasks!  I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing sideways. They are the devil's handiwork!

Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
Morning Star
lying Marathon, Fl
www.CruisingMorningStar.com
Sent from my iPad

Ralph, Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly different tasks! I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing sideways. They are the devil's handiwork! Regards, Randy Pickelmann Morning Star lying Marathon, Fl www.CruisingMorningStar.com Sent from my iPad
RY
Ralph Yost
Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:40 PM

I owned many sailboats. Sailboat tracking (fore or aft) will vary with the
keel design. Spade keels will tend to make the boat rotate even if backing.
But this principle applies the same to sailboats because the prop is closer
to upwind and in reverse it pulls the boat.

If the boat is underpowered, then that is an entirely different problem to
be dealt with.

And we have to remember that backing invokes prop pull, usually to port. But
the experienced helmsman should know and understand this and apply it.

Flat bottom planing hull boats are hard to maneuver at low speeds because
they float across the top of the water. Deep V boats with higher dead rise
in the stern provide some better level of tracking.

I still maintain that backing into the wind affords more control at slow
speeds than bow to. But as I said earlier - it's a paradigm shift in
thinking for most folks.

R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Pickelmann [mailto:rwp_48@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:50 AM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Cc: ralph@alphacompservices.com
Subject: Bridge etiquette ICW

Ralph,
Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly
different tasks!  I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save
your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing
sideways. They are the devil's handiwork!

Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
Morning Star
lying Marathon, Fl
www.CruisingMorningStar.com
Sent from my iPad

I owned many sailboats. Sailboat tracking (fore or aft) will vary with the keel design. Spade keels will tend to make the boat rotate even if backing. But this principle applies the same to sailboats because the prop is closer to upwind and in reverse it pulls the boat. If the boat is underpowered, then that is an entirely different problem to be dealt with. And we have to remember that backing invokes prop pull, usually to port. But the experienced helmsman should know and understand this and apply it. Flat bottom planing hull boats are hard to maneuver at low speeds because they float across the top of the water. Deep V boats with higher dead rise in the stern provide some better level of tracking. I still maintain that backing into the wind affords more control at slow speeds than bow to. But as I said earlier - it's a paradigm shift in thinking for most folks. R. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Pickelmann [mailto:rwp_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:50 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Cc: ralph@alphacompservices.com Subject: Bridge etiquette ICW Ralph, Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly different tasks! I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing sideways. They are the devil's handiwork! Regards, Randy Pickelmann Morning Star lying Marathon, Fl www.CruisingMorningStar.com Sent from my iPad
MA
MY ALLEZ
Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:00 PM

I sailed for 28 years before making the switch to the Trawler. My sailboat had a fin
keel and would spin on a dime. However you have to remember backing up you have to get enough stern way on the boat with water flowing past the rudder for the rudder to answer to the helm. You do not do that slow. Once you have the momentum going fine, loose the momentum you lost rudder control
backing up.
 
Now Back to cruising..
 
Bob

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com


From: Ralph Yost ralph@alphacompservices.com
To: 'Randy Pickelmann' rwp_48@yahoo.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW

I owned many sailboats. Sailboat tracking (fore or aft) will vary with the
keel design. Spade keels will tend to make the boat rotate even if backing.
But this principle applies the same to sailboats because the prop is closer
to upwind and in reverse it pulls the boat.

If the boat is underpowered, then that is an entirely different problem to
be dealt with.

And we have to remember that backing invokes prop pull, usually to port. But
the experienced helmsman should know and understand this and apply it.

Flat bottom planing hull boats are hard to maneuver at low speeds because
they float across the top of the water. Deep V boats with higher dead rise
in the stern provide some better level of tracking.

I still maintain that backing into the wind affords more control at slow
speeds than bow to. But as I said earlier - it's a paradigm shift in
thinking for most folks.

R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Pickelmann [mailto:rwp_48@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:50 AM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Cc: ralph@alphacompservices.com
Subject: Bridge etiquette ICW

Ralph,
Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly
different tasks!  I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save
your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing
sideways. They are the devil's handiwork!

Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
Morning Star
lying Marathon, Fl
www.CruisingMorningStar.com
Sent from my iPad


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I sailed for 28 years before making the switch to the Trawler. My sailboat had a fin keel and would spin on a dime. However you have to remember backing up you have to get enough stern way on the boat with water flowing past the rudder for the rudder to answer to the helm. You do not do that slow. Once you have the momentum going fine, loose the momentum you lost rudder control backing up.   Now Back to cruising..   Bob Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Ralph Yost <ralph@alphacompservices.com> To: 'Randy Pickelmann' <rwp_48@yahoo.com>; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW I owned many sailboats. Sailboat tracking (fore or aft) will vary with the keel design. Spade keels will tend to make the boat rotate even if backing. But this principle applies the same to sailboats because the prop is closer to upwind and in reverse it pulls the boat. If the boat is underpowered, then that is an entirely different problem to be dealt with. And we have to remember that backing invokes prop pull, usually to port. But the experienced helmsman should know and understand this and apply it. Flat bottom planing hull boats are hard to maneuver at low speeds because they float across the top of the water. Deep V boats with higher dead rise in the stern provide some better level of tracking. I still maintain that backing into the wind affords more control at slow speeds than bow to. But as I said earlier - it's a paradigm shift in thinking for most folks. R. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Pickelmann [mailto:rwp_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:50 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Cc: ralph@alphacompservices.com Subject: Bridge etiquette ICW Ralph, Backing a twin engine powerboat and an under-powered sailboat are two vastly different tasks!  I never owned a sailboat that would back straight to save your life. In fact, one or two of them seemed to prefer corkscrewing sideways. They are the devil's handiwork! Regards, Randy Pickelmann Morning Star lying Marathon, Fl www.CruisingMorningStar.com Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com