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Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage Reference Mini-Oven

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ws at Yahoo
Fri, Sep 16, 2011 7:27 PM

Here is another reason the Opamp is not listed as a "critical" part.

It is easy enough to remove the effect of its offset error without needing
any additional test equipment.
With about a 100 to 1 resistor divider added across the amps inputs, one
just needs to then adjust the opamp's zero offset so there is minimal change
then switching one of the opamps inputs between the actual error signal and
the divided down error signal.

Example:
Say the amp is being used as a neg gain of one with two 10K ohm resistors.
The amp's plus input is to ground and the neg input is connected to the
summing junction of the two 10K resistors.
Add two more non-critical resistors in series, a 500K to the 10K summing
junction and a 5 k to ground.
To zero the amps offset, adjust for min change at the output when switching
the opamps neg input between the normal summing junction and the 100 to 1
divider

Now this manual adjustment can be used to remove all zero offset of the
opamp before (and while) any critical measurements are being made.

ws


Don't forget that you can have 1uV per C just from the opamp offset voltage.
That makes three critical parts.


Using a circuit similar to
http://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/attachments/20110903/b7da2eca/attachment-0001.gif

A 10 reference standard can be built so that there are only TWO really
critical parts that limit its performance.
The reference  Zener and the 5/3 gain matched resistors.
The rest just takes careful analog design considerations.
The way I hope to remove the resistor matching limitation is to do that
part
digital.

As far as more details on the Mini-Oven, nothing else to say. It is just
three small parts "Taped" together.
One is the device to be controlled, one is the heater and the last is the
temperature sensor. Same as any oven, just smaller.
I don't know how this mini-oven would apply to a standard cell.

ws


Here is another reason the Opamp is not listed as a "critical" part. It is easy enough to remove the effect of its offset error without needing any additional test equipment. With about a 100 to 1 resistor divider added across the amps inputs, one just needs to then adjust the opamp's zero offset so there is minimal change then switching one of the opamps inputs between the actual error signal and the divided down error signal. Example: Say the amp is being used as a neg gain of one with two 10K ohm resistors. The amp's plus input is to ground and the neg input is connected to the summing junction of the two 10K resistors. Add two more non-critical resistors in series, a 500K to the 10K summing junction and a 5 k to ground. To zero the amps offset, adjust for min change at the output when switching the opamps neg input between the normal summing junction and the 100 to 1 divider Now this manual adjustment can be used to remove all zero offset of the opamp before (and while) any critical measurements are being made. ws ************ Don't forget that you can have 1uV per C just from the opamp offset voltage. That makes three critical parts. *************** > > Using a circuit similar to > http://www.febo.com/pipermail/volt-nuts/attachments/20110903/b7da2eca/attachment-0001.gif > > A 10 reference standard can be built so that there are only TWO really > critical parts that limit its performance. > The reference Zener and the 5/3 gain matched resistors. > The rest just takes careful analog design considerations. > The way I hope to remove the resistor matching limitation is to do that > part > digital. > > As far as more details on the Mini-Oven, nothing else to say. It is just > three small parts "Taped" together. > One is the device to be controlled, one is the heater and the last is the > temperature sensor. Same as any oven, just smaller. > I don't know how this mini-oven would apply to a standard cell. > > ws > > *******************