This Looks like a great design

DL
david law
Thu, Jun 1, 2006 9:25 AM

George Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are making this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross between a Tug and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but personally I would have love a more economiocal version.
Let me have your opinion on this design.
Regards
David Law

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:47:11 -0400
From: Georgs Kolesnikovs
Subject: [PCW] Ben Owen introduction
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Ben Owen wrote:

I grew up around small fishing boats in the creeks and Rivers of the
southern mountains. One summer while in Grade school three friends and I
built a raft and spent three weeks floating the Poteau river with just
our rifles and fishing gear, A few cooking utensils and complete
confidence that we were Daniel Boone

Later I was introduced to Sailing by a fellow engineer who brought his
day sailer up to Quartz mountain lake in Oklahoma and a whole new world
opened up for me.

After a year's apprenticeship came a move to Seattle and my own day
sailer, a 11' Sea Scouter on Elliott Bay (Idiot's Bay?)

I gradually moved up to larger boats as my skill and Confidence improved
and settled on a Pearson Vanguard, a 32' Yawl that was begging to be
converted to a Cutter Yawl, which I did and loved it. With the larger
sailboats came longer trips; to Canada, Vancouver island, to Alaska and a
trip around Vancouver island.

I had read that the main deterrent to open ocean sailing was the fear of
being alone. To test this, I provisioned the Pearson, Took Navigation
courses at the University and joined US Power Squadron and became a "Full
Certificate".

I took off from Shilshole on April 15th after doing my taxes and headed
out toward the open Pacific. I spent the summer cruising out of sight of
land just getting in tune with the boat. Fortunately that year there
were few storms so I was not tried severely. The closer the time came to
return to land, the more I dreaded it. I came back to Shilshole in a fog
so dense that I steered along the western shore close enough to see the
bottom but could not see the shore only a few feet away.

I was elated at having passed this self imposed test and decided
to expand my horizons by doing deliveries both pleasure and Fishing boats
to Alaska and down the coast. My largest was a 375 ft Crab Processor with
a crew of 40 delivered through the Bering Sea to Adak in the Aleutian
Islands. With that under my belt I was ready to cross Oceans. I flew to
Holland and oversaw the final fitting out of a 75ft Ketch, the mono hull
"Orcella" and brought her back to Seattle via four months in the Med.
across the Atlantic, through the Canal and up the west Coast to Vashon
Island. Total time on the trip was 18 months!

I moved to Alabama, bought a house on a 23 mile lake, got a power boat
and did deliveries down the east coast including a 40 ft Catalac from Ft
Lauderdale to Choctawhatchie bay Fl. That was probably my most
"Interesting trip" of all I have taken. I was impressed with the
sturdiness of the Cat and decided I wanted one.

Because this lake is landlocked, I am confined to Trailerable
boats and want it to do the great loop trip and voyages from Puget Sound
to Alaska. Mostly we will be travelling the "Western Rivers" and
waterways. The "Tenn Tom" has sections that remind one of being in the
amazon. I joined the Power Cat group because I want as much information
as I can glean before committing on a particular cat. I need one about
30ft long with 10 ft and no more than 12 ft beam to take us around the
great loop, up the Arkansas to visit my Sister near Fort Smith and to be
safe and comfortable. Most of our cruising will be at 6 to 8 kts but
occasionally at 14 or more when we get in a hurry. Any suggestions I
can get from the group is welcome.


Thanks for the entertaining backgrounder, Ben.

There are quite a few folks on the List interested in trailerable
cats, so you'll be in good company.

You might try a search of the List archives. Go to Google and enter
the following search term:

trailerable site:samurai.com

To search for posts on a particular make of power cat, use the name,
as in the following examples:

motorcat site:samurai.com
excitecat site:samurai.com
tomcat site:samurai.com

Sometimes you will find that Google is out of synch with the archives
and you will get a wrong post. In that case, click on the "Cached"
link and you will get Google's own copy of the post.

Enjoy the List! And keep us posted on progress in the quest for your
perfect trailerable power cat.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:54:31 -0400
From: Georgs Kolesnikovs
Subject: Re: [PCW] King Cat 38
To: Power Catamaran List

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Press release from King Catamarans of Australia:

King Cats is releasing a new flybridge power catamaran at the
Sanctuary Cove Boat Show in Australia, the King Cat 38. Designed to
chase the cruiser market in Australia and overseas, the company has
already sold two vessels and received interest from the US, New
Caledonia, Dubai and New Zealand.

http://www.kingcats.com.au/

The site has finally gone live.

--GxK


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:31:39 -0400
From: "brian eiland"
Subject: Re: [PCW] Ben Owen introduction
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Ben Owen wrote:

I gradually moved up to larger boats as my skill and Confidence improved and
settled on a Pearson Vanguard, a 32' Yawl that was begging to be converted to
a Cutter Yawl, which I did and loved it. With the larger sailboats came
longer trips; to Canada, Vancouver island, to Alaska and a trip around
Vancouver island.

With that under my belt I was ready to cross Oceans. I flew to

Holland and oversaw the final fitting out of a 75ft Ketch, the mono hull

"Orcella" and brought her back to Seattle via four months in the Med. across
the Atlantic, through the Canal and up the west Coast to Vashon Island. Total
time on the trip was 18 months!

I moved to Alabama, bought a house on a 23 mile lake, got a power boat
and did deliveries down the east coast including a 40 ft Catalac from Ft>

Lauderdale to Choctawhatchie bay Fl. That was probably my most

"Interesting trip" of all I have taken. I was impressed with the
sturdiness of the Cat and decided I wanted one.

Because this lake is landlocked, I am confined to Trailerable
boats and want it to do the great loop trip and voyages from Puget Sound to

Alaska.
I need one about 30ft long with 10 ft and no more than 12 ft beam to take
us
around the great loop, up the Arkansas to visit my Sister near


Brian responded:
Interesting backgrd Ben. Since you have been bitten by the cat bug and have
sailed several different split rigs, I thought you might find my
'single-masted ketch' rig of interest at Any
comments on this sailing subject are probably best made off this list.

I have a couple of powercat projects in mind, but they are larger than you
need.

I might be interested in tapping into your knowledge about a trip from
Seattle
up to Alaska next summer, being planned by a very good friend of mine who
just
got back from buying a very neat 44 steel Dutch poweryacht out in Seattle for
such a trip.

Brian Eiland

beiland@usa.net
www.RunningTideYachts.com
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George Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are making this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross between a Tug and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but personally I would have love a more economiocal version. Let me have your opinion on this design. Regards David Law power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com wrote: Send Power-Catamaran mailing list submissions to power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com You can reach the person managing the list at power-catamaran-owner@lists.samurai.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Power-Catamaran digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ben Owen introduction (Georgs Kolesnikovs) 2. Re: King Cat 38 (Georgs Kolesnikovs) 3. Re: Ben Owen introduction (brian eiland) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:47:11 -0400 From: Georgs Kolesnikovs Subject: [PCW] Ben Owen introduction To: Power Catamaran List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ben Owen wrote: I grew up around small fishing boats in the creeks and Rivers of the southern mountains. One summer while in Grade school three friends and I built a raft and spent three weeks floating the Poteau river with just our rifles and fishing gear, A few cooking utensils and complete confidence that we were Daniel Boone Later I was introduced to Sailing by a fellow engineer who brought his day sailer up to Quartz mountain lake in Oklahoma and a whole new world opened up for me. After a year's apprenticeship came a move to Seattle and my own day sailer, a 11' Sea Scouter on Elliott Bay (Idiot's Bay?) I gradually moved up to larger boats as my skill and Confidence improved and settled on a Pearson Vanguard, a 32' Yawl that was begging to be converted to a Cutter Yawl, which I did and loved it. With the larger sailboats came longer trips; to Canada, Vancouver island, to Alaska and a trip around Vancouver island. I had read that the main deterrent to open ocean sailing was the fear of being alone. To test this, I provisioned the Pearson, Took Navigation courses at the University and joined US Power Squadron and became a "Full Certificate". I took off from Shilshole on April 15th after doing my taxes and headed out toward the open Pacific. I spent the summer cruising out of sight of land just getting in tune with the boat. Fortunately that year there were few storms so I was not tried severely. The closer the time came to return to land, the more I dreaded it. I came back to Shilshole in a fog so dense that I steered along the western shore close enough to see the bottom but could not see the shore only a few feet away. I was elated at having passed this self imposed test and decided to expand my horizons by doing deliveries both pleasure and Fishing boats to Alaska and down the coast. My largest was a 375 ft Crab Processor with a crew of 40 delivered through the Bering Sea to Adak in the Aleutian Islands. With that under my belt I was ready to cross Oceans. I flew to Holland and oversaw the final fitting out of a 75ft Ketch, the mono hull "Orcella" and brought her back to Seattle via four months in the Med. across the Atlantic, through the Canal and up the west Coast to Vashon Island. Total time on the trip was 18 months! I moved to Alabama, bought a house on a 23 mile lake, got a power boat and did deliveries down the east coast including a 40 ft Catalac from Ft Lauderdale to Choctawhatchie bay Fl. That was probably my most "Interesting trip" of all I have taken. I was impressed with the sturdiness of the Cat and decided I wanted one. Because this lake is landlocked, I am confined to Trailerable boats and want it to do the great loop trip and voyages from Puget Sound to Alaska. Mostly we will be travelling the "Western Rivers" and waterways. The "Tenn Tom" has sections that remind one of being in the amazon. I joined the Power Cat group because I want as much information as I can glean before committing on a particular cat. I need one about 30ft long with 10 ft and no more than 12 ft beam to take us around the great loop, up the Arkansas to visit my Sister near Fort Smith and to be safe and comfortable. Most of our cruising will be at 6 to 8 kts but occasionally at 14 or more when we get in a hurry. Any suggestions I can get from the group is welcome. -------------------------- Thanks for the entertaining backgrounder, Ben. There are quite a few folks on the List interested in trailerable cats, so you'll be in good company. You might try a search of the List archives. Go to Google and enter the following search term: trailerable site:samurai.com To search for posts on a particular make of power cat, use the name, as in the following examples: motorcat site:samurai.com excitecat site:samurai.com tomcat site:samurai.com Sometimes you will find that Google is out of synch with the archives and you will get a wrong post. In that case, click on the "Cached" link and you will get Google's own copy of the post. Enjoy the List! And keep us posted on progress in the quest for your perfect trailerable power cat. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:54:31 -0400 From: Georgs Kolesnikovs Subject: Re: [PCW] King Cat 38 To: Power Catamaran List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Press release from King Catamarans of Australia: > >King Cats is releasing a new flybridge power catamaran at the >Sanctuary Cove Boat Show in Australia, the King Cat 38. Designed to >chase the cruiser market in Australia and overseas, the company has >already sold two vessels and received interest from the US, New >Caledonia, Dubai and New Zealand. > >http://www.kingcats.com.au/ The site has finally gone live. --GxK ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:31:39 -0400 From: "brian eiland" Subject: Re: [PCW] Ben Owen introduction To: Power Catamaran List Message-ID: <825keENfn0000S15.1149082299@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Ben Owen wrote: I gradually moved up to larger boats as my skill and Confidence improved and settled on a Pearson Vanguard, a 32' Yawl that was begging to be converted to a Cutter Yawl, which I did and loved it. With the larger sailboats came longer trips; to Canada, Vancouver island, to Alaska and a trip around Vancouver island. With that under my belt I was ready to cross Oceans. I flew to > Holland and oversaw the final fitting out of a 75ft Ketch, the mono hull "Orcella" and brought her back to Seattle via four months in the Med. across the Atlantic, through the Canal and up the west Coast to Vashon Island. Total time on the trip was 18 months! > I moved to Alabama, bought a house on a 23 mile lake, got a power boat > and did deliveries down the east coast including a 40 ft Catalac from Ft> Lauderdale to Choctawhatchie bay Fl. That was probably my most > "Interesting trip" of all I have taken. I was impressed with the > sturdiness of the Cat and decided I wanted one. > Because this lake is landlocked, I am confined to Trailerable > boats and want it to do the great loop trip and voyages from Puget Sound to Alaska. I need one about 30ft long with 10 ft and no more than 12 ft beam to take us around the great loop, up the Arkansas to visit my Sister near ____________________________________________________ Brian responded: Interesting backgrd Ben. Since you have been bitten by the cat bug and have sailed several different split rigs, I thought you might find my 'single-masted ketch' rig of interest at Any comments on this sailing subject are probably best made off this list. I have a couple of powercat projects in mind, but they are larger than you need. I might be interested in tapping into your knowledge about a trip from Seattle up to Alaska next summer, being planned by a very good friend of mine who just got back from buying a very neat 44 steel Dutch poweryacht out in Seattle for such a trip. Brian Eiland beiland@usa.net www.RunningTideYachts.com distinctive expedition yachts ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List End of Power-Catamaran Digest, Vol 16, Issue 1 ********************************************** Get Skype and call me for free. --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
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Arild Jensen
Thu, Jun 1, 2006 3:29 PM

-----Original Message-----
From: david law

George Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT
http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are
making this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross
between a Tug and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but
personally I would have love a more economiocal version.
Let me have your opinion on this design.
Regards
David Law

REPLY
Concerning any aluminum hulls, the electrical system requires some special
considerations to prevent hull corrosion damage. I can show you pictures of
severe damage to a two year old power cat which was wired by a certified
electrician using ABYC approved equipment and which did include an isolation
transformer.

I just completed doing the total electrical design for the 53 Valdemar
design Michael Kasten mentions on his website. That design would lend itself
well to being scaled for the 35 foot power cat.
My design is suitable for any voltage/frequency anywhere in the world and
even though the 53 foot vessel is fully airconditioned there is no AC genset
on board. Just the propulsion engine and get home engine.

Some newly available electrical equipment would also reduce the weight of
wiring etc compareed to the conventional designs.  For more details contact
me off list.

regards
Arild Jensen
elnav@telus.net

> -----Original Message----- > From: david law > > George Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT > http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are > making this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross > between a Tug and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but > personally I would have love a more economiocal version. > Let me have your opinion on this design. > Regards > David Law REPLY Concerning any aluminum hulls, the electrical system requires some special considerations to prevent hull corrosion damage. I can show you pictures of severe damage to a two year old power cat which was wired by a certified electrician using ABYC approved equipment and which did include an isolation transformer. I just completed doing the total electrical design for the 53 Valdemar design Michael Kasten mentions on his website. That design would lend itself well to being scaled for the 35 foot power cat. My design is suitable for any voltage/frequency anywhere in the world and even though the 53 foot vessel is fully airconditioned there is no AC genset on board. Just the propulsion engine and get home engine. Some newly available electrical equipment would also reduce the weight of wiring etc compareed to the conventional designs. For more details contact me off list. regards Arild Jensen elnav@telus.net
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Fri, Jun 2, 2006 2:54 PM

David Law wrote:

Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT
http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are making
this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross between a Tug
and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but personally I
would have love a more economical version.

I must confess that I'm a big fan of Michael Kasten. I like his
approach to designing boats, but I do acknowledge that some may find
his approach occasionally too innovative, or too retrograde.

Back in my trawler days, I engaged him to design a pocket passagemaker for me:

http://www.kastenmarine.com/buster30.htm

We never got beyond the preliminary design, mainly because time,
money and interest never quite aligned. Buster--or Butch, as I
preferred to call her--still is one of the few monohulls I'd love to
own some day.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com

PS  I renamed this thread so the subject matter is searchable in archives.

David Law wrote: >Kasten Marine Also have a great CAT >http://www.kastenmarine.com/powercat.htm I believe they are making >this 35ft cat for a client now, the layout is a cross between a Tug >and a catamaran the layout seems very pratical but personally I >would have love a more economical version. I must confess that I'm a big fan of Michael Kasten. I like his approach to designing boats, but I do acknowledge that some may find his approach occasionally too innovative, or too retrograde. Back in my trawler days, I engaged him to design a pocket passagemaker for me: http://www.kastenmarine.com/buster30.htm We never got beyond the preliminary design, mainly because time, money and interest never quite aligned. Buster--or Butch, as I preferred to call her--still is one of the few monohulls I'd love to own some day. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com PS I renamed this thread so the subject matter is searchable in archives.