>snip from Georgs allow. anyone else named by Graham Pfister to post one message each in response. >snip Thank you, Georgs, I think it is very important that someone set the record straight. I have tolerated Graham Pfister's recent rantings up until now, but everyone has their limit, and the blathering idiot, Graham Pfister, has finally pushed me past mine. As a former customer, as Graham stated, and the only potentially injured party in this irrational rant of his, allow me to shed some truth on the subject. Being an anal engineering type (probably redundant) I decided to have a catamaran built and found the 'TrawlerCat' design as close to my liking as I thought I could ever find. There had been two boats constructed on the east coast of Canada (one fiberglass and one aluminum). Graham was only peripherally involved (according to the owners). Graham is neither a designer nor the originator of the 'TrawlerCat' concept. The original design was by Crowther. Perhaps Graham thought of the name to describe the vessel, but I have never even seen that much creativity from him. I have 3 engineering degrees myself and am in a position to recognize a designer when I talk to one and I have met Graham on two occasions. I did extensive due diligence before I signed a contract for many hundreds of thousands of dollars for a boat with Pacific Coast Boats. I found that Graham had overseen a unit built in western Canada and the vessel floated nearly a foot above the intended waterline. Graham declared this the builder's fault even though he oversaw the complete construction. I never found a single boat where he was fully involved that turned out successful. I found John Shaw to have successfully built numerous boats, including one over 100-ft. He was also finishing a 52-ft motorsailer at the time and I was able to see the vessel and talk to the buyer. The buyer remains a friend of mine and John's. I met and spoke to John numerous times before I signed a contract. It was confidence in John, in spite of Graham, that swayed me to buy the boat. As it turned out, after collecting his salary for nearly a year without contributing anything to the boat's construction, Graham finally just walked out on the contract. I'm sure it again was the builder's fault; everything is always the builder's fault. I heard yesterday's rant out of Graham at that time. He also gave me a list of names of supposed parties that John had harmed that I had not pursued previously. I followed each one to the source and found nothing of substance. I then had a Chinese graduate student's family check on the 3 boats Graham claimed he built and were held up by the Chinese authorities. I found that the boats actually were held up in Chinese courts, but because the owners had brought suit against Graham. In fact I can provide anyone interested with copies of the extensive monetary settlement the Chinese courts issued against Graham because the boats are not seaworthy. Undoubtedly another builder's fault, but again he oversaw the whole process. John Shaw and Pacific Expedition Yachts have continued to honor my contract after Graham turned his back and fled to Canada. Granted, the timeline for the build was significantly extended due to the drain of money by Graham. Graham's default on the contract ending up costing me an additional $150,000.00 (not to mention time) and I have little hope of ever collecting from him. My agents have never been able to find him in the US so that he could be served. Meanwhile he continues to use photos of my boat, some including my image, while trolling for his next customer. I have no idea why he decided to attack John's new partner. I think any of us would have contacted Graham under the circumstances. How else would one have performed reasonable due diligence before starting a new business with John? Pacific Expedition's new designs, although similar in profile, have made some great functional improvements to Crowther's work, and I am jealous, but happy to have a solid boat that rides high in the water. It is truly a sad situation when someone like Graham (like too many others in this industry) just sits around and tries to make himself look better by making everyone else look badly. It rather resembles today's politics. Bill Fleenor