Small cats

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bob Austin
Thu, Sep 3, 2009 9:13 PM

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC as a bay
and near shore boat.  (I already own a Tom Cat--best information on these is
at C Brats Forum--incidently Georgs owns a Tom Cat 24).

I have looked at all of the "new"--by builders who are out of business at
least for now.  Also used--where there is a lot of Junk.  The better 2007 and
2008 small cats are selling for almost new prices.  In my experience the
single engine small cats have a significant ventillation (some might call it
cavitation) problem.

I had been in discussion with Aero Cat both about a 27 foot "Trawler"--and a
21 foot CC "convertable Cat".  After the last several E-mails from Aero Cat, I
have decided to look else where.

There is always the option of having a custom built boat.  Cold molded with
glass overlays, or using foam core and "stitch and glue" technique comes to
mind.

Bob Austin

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC as a bay and near shore boat. (I already own a Tom Cat--best information on these is at C Brats Forum--incidently Georgs owns a Tom Cat 24). I have looked at all of the "new"--by builders who are out of business at least for now. Also used--where there is a lot of Junk. The better 2007 and 2008 small cats are selling for almost new prices. In my experience the single engine small cats have a significant ventillation (some might call it cavitation) problem. I had been in discussion with Aero Cat both about a 27 foot "Trawler"--and a 21 foot CC "convertable Cat". After the last several E-mails from Aero Cat, I have decided to look else where. There is always the option of having a custom built boat. Cold molded with glass overlays, or using foam core and "stitch and glue" technique comes to mind. Bob Austin
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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Thu, Sep 3, 2009 9:19 PM

Gosh, Bob, there is no stopping you, is there?

You certainly as a beacon of inspiration and information to all use
youngsters.

Please do keep us posted as you search continues.

--Georgs

On 3-Sep-09, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote:

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC
as a bay
and near shore boat.

Gosh, Bob, there is no stopping you, is there? You certainly as a beacon of inspiration and information to all use youngsters. Please do keep us posted as you search continues. --Georgs On 3-Sep-09, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote: > I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC > as a bay > and near shore boat.
AB
Alan Bliss
Thu, Sep 3, 2009 10:52 PM

A little hard to find, but worth looking for:

Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by American
Marine / Bill Sheffield.

The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard
(usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is
realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#.

The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat
ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a
storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward
there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty
might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console. Lots
of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also happens
to be stable.

Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop
smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and
tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect
some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be
trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most conditions
is dry and easy.

Alan Bliss

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote:

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC
as a bay
and near shore boat.

A little hard to find, but worth looking for: Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by American Marine / Bill Sheffield. The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard (usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#. The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console. Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also happens to be stable. Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most conditions is dry and easy. Alan Bliss On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote: > I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot CC > as a bay > and near shore boat.
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:40 AM

Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing:

http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html

Is it the same as the one you have, Alan?

--Georgs

On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote:

A little hard to find, but worth looking for:

Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by
American Marine / Bill Sheffield.

The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard
(usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is
realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#.

The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat
ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a
storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward
there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty
might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console.
Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also
happens to be stable.

Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop
smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and
tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect
some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be
trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most
conditions is dry and easy.

Alan Bliss

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote:

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot
CC as a bay
and near shore boat.


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Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing: http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html Is it the same as the one you have, Alan? --Georgs On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote: > A little hard to find, but worth looking for: > > Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by > American Marine / Bill Sheffield. > > The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard > (usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is > realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#. > > The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat > ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a > storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward > there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty > might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console. > Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also > happens to be stable. > > Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop > smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and > tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect > some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be > trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most > conditions is dry and easy. > > Alan Bliss > > On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote: > >> I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot >> CC as a bay >> and near shore boat. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Alan Bliss
Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:51 AM

Georgs: Custom Kamo's advertised boat appears identical. My only
quibble with their data is that they claim a draft of 8". Maybe dry
and empty, but not in the case of any Shoal Cat I've ever seen. As I
noted earlier, 10" to 12" is more realistic.

These are good shallow-water boats, and since I like to fish the
flats, that was important to me. The Shoal Cat cannot follow a serious
flats fishing machine across a damp sand bank. OTOH, that is the trade-
off that one makes for a cat hull that comfortably negotiates surf,
chop, or large boat wakes. A serious flats boat can't do those things
without serious pounding. I guess a foot or so of water is skinny
enough for me. Much thinner and I'll get out and walk.

Cheers, Alan

On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing:

http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html

Is it the same as the one you have, Alan?

--Georgs

On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote:

A little hard to find, but worth looking for:

Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by
American Marine / Bill Sheffield.

The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single
outboard (usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft
loaded is realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#.

The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat
ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a
storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way
forward there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a
Pota-Potty might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the
console. Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform
that also happens to be stable.

Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop
smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and
tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect
some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be
trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most
conditions is dry and easy.

Alan Bliss

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote:

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot
CC as a bay
and near shore boat.


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Georgs: Custom Kamo's advertised boat appears identical. My only quibble with their data is that they claim a draft of 8". Maybe dry and empty, but not in the case of any Shoal Cat I've ever seen. As I noted earlier, 10" to 12" is more realistic. These are good shallow-water boats, and since I like to fish the flats, that was important to me. The Shoal Cat cannot follow a serious flats fishing machine across a damp sand bank. OTOH, that is the trade- off that one makes for a cat hull that comfortably negotiates surf, chop, or large boat wakes. A serious flats boat can't do those things without serious pounding. I guess a foot or so of water is skinny enough for me. Much thinner and I'll get out and walk. Cheers, Alan On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing: > > http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html > > Is it the same as the one you have, Alan? > > --Georgs > > On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote: > >> A little hard to find, but worth looking for: >> >> Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by >> American Marine / Bill Sheffield. >> >> The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single >> outboard (usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft >> loaded is realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#. >> >> The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat >> ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a >> storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way >> forward there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a >> Pota-Potty might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the >> console. Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform >> that also happens to be stable. >> >> Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop >> smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and >> tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect >> some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be >> trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most >> conditions is dry and easy. >> >> Alan Bliss >> >> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote: >> >>> I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot >>> CC as a bay >>> and near shore boat. >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Tim Jordaan
Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:33 AM

Georgs,
here is s shoal draft that draws only 6 to 8inches, runs
2 x 30hp in rivers and lakes and 2 x 40hp in the seas.
called          Scaff 1800 www.aventure-powercatamaran.com

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com]On Behalf Of Georgs
Kolesnikovs
Sent: 04 September 2009 05:40
To: Power Catamaran List
Subject: Re: [PCW] Small cats

Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing:

http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html

Is it the same as the one you have, Alan?

--Georgs

On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote:

A little hard to find, but worth looking for:

Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by
American Marine / Bill Sheffield.

The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard
(usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is
realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#.

The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat
ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a
storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward
there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty
might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console.
Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also
happens to be stable.

Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop
smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and
tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect
some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be
trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most
conditions is dry and easy.

Alan Bliss

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote:

I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot
CC as a bay
and near shore boat.


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Georgs, here is s shoal draft that draws only 6 to 8inches, runs 2 x 30hp in rivers and lakes and 2 x 40hp in the seas. called Scaff 1800 www.aventure-powercatamaran.com Tim -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com]On Behalf Of Georgs Kolesnikovs Sent: 04 September 2009 05:40 To: Power Catamaran List Subject: Re: [PCW] Small cats Here's the Shoal Cat now built by Custom Kamo Manufacturing: http://www.customkamo.com/shoalcat.html Is it the same as the one you have, Alan? --Georgs On 3-Sep-09, at 6:52 PM, Alan Bliss wrote: > A little hard to find, but worth looking for: > > Shoal Cat, built in Jacksonville, Florida ca. 1996 - 2004, by > American Marine / Bill Sheffield. > > The boats are center console catamarans rigged for a single outboard > (usually 50 h.p.). Dimensions are 17.5' by 7'. Draft loaded is > realistically 10" - 12"; boat weight is 775#. > > The typical set up is a T-Top over a smallish console and flip-seat > ice & chest, with an additional seat ahead of the console over a > storage locker which may be used as a live-well. All the way forward > there are two generous dry-storage compartments, where a Pota-Potty > might hide until needed. A 14-gallon fuel tank is in the console. > Lots of level deck space makes it a good fishing platform that also > happens to be stable. > > Mine will run 28 mph loaded with four adults, handles a steep chop > smoothly and well, and barely uses any fuel. It's easy to load and > tow. A jack plate helps defeat the cavitation issue that can affect > some small cats. With mine, the four-bladed prop just needs to be > trimmed-down when accelerating onto plane. Ride under most > conditions is dry and easy. > > Alan Bliss > > On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:13 PM, bob Austin wrote: > >> I have been looking for a 18 to 22 foot cat to replace my 18 foot >> CC as a bay >> and near shore boat. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List