Sneezig and sniveling

BH
Bert/Noelle Harrott
Thu, May 25, 2006 3:27 PM

I hope that the speculation and underinformed conjecture about the capcized
boat is behind us. For a while I thought this forum had turned into a beauty
salon.
Moving along... The recently posted concerns about the Lagoon's wetting
problems are a valid critcism. However, there are two seperate apparent
shortcomings with the boat. There are the issues of the "sneezing" and the
issue of the spray coming up off the
windward bow. Both problems have been reported repeatedly.Even Lagoon dealers
have candidly commented on the issue in this forum. Lagoon documents the spray
problem in virtually every publicity photo and video. Spray dominates the
Lagoon's ride. As for the sneezing, this undesirable ideosyncracy has been
described by owners and charterers.
The spray problem mentioned in the Passagemaker article seemingly could and
should have been handled during the redesign of the new Powercat 44. To have
the rep from Lagoon America allude to saying (according to the Passagemaker
article) that they are looking into a "fix", five years and a model change
after the problem was first apparent is hard to swallow. The sneezing, more
than likely will require a major design reconsideration.
Meanwhile the Lagoon remains a stunning design departure from the norm which
offers features not to be found elsewhere in the industry.
An interesting "how to" demonstration of powercat hull design is available
from Fontaine Pajot. The video "Gulfstream at 25 Knots"  may be viewed on the
Aeroyacht website. It is a marvelous display of how dry and stable a cruising
powercat can be in seas generally not seen in publicity videos.
I suppose I got in more than my two cents worth, Bert Harrott.

I hope that the speculation and underinformed conjecture about the capcized boat is behind us. For a while I thought this forum had turned into a beauty salon. Moving along... The recently posted concerns about the Lagoon's wetting problems are a valid critcism. However, there are two seperate apparent shortcomings with the boat. There are the issues of the "sneezing" and the issue of the spray coming up off the windward bow. Both problems have been reported repeatedly.Even Lagoon dealers have candidly commented on the issue in this forum. Lagoon documents the spray problem in virtually every publicity photo and video. Spray dominates the Lagoon's ride. As for the sneezing, this undesirable ideosyncracy has been described by owners and charterers. The spray problem mentioned in the Passagemaker article seemingly could and should have been handled during the redesign of the new Powercat 44. To have the rep from Lagoon America allude to saying (according to the Passagemaker article) that they are looking into a "fix", five years and a model change after the problem was first apparent is hard to swallow. The sneezing, more than likely will require a major design reconsideration. Meanwhile the Lagoon remains a stunning design departure from the norm which offers features not to be found elsewhere in the industry. An interesting "how to" demonstration of powercat hull design is available from Fontaine Pajot. The video "Gulfstream at 25 Knots" may be viewed on the Aeroyacht website. It is a marvelous display of how dry and stable a cruising powercat can be in seas generally not seen in publicity videos. I suppose I got in more than my two cents worth, Bert Harrott.
IV
Ian Vale
Fri, May 26, 2006 12:31 PM

Bert

Don't be unduly influenced by the Lagoon publicity material...!  Individual
shots are often selected for their drama and visual appeal, and the video
material likewise - it's not intended as a documentary.  Even so, I don't
see anybody on the bows or in the forward cockpit getting wet.

In order to determine whether we are indulging in "speculation and
underinformed conjecture" on the "Lagoon's wetting problems" it might be
useful to hear from a few owners at some point.  I recognize that my
reporting of this issue as being somewhat exaggerated - even after 7,500nm
on the boat - may be received with some skepticism as I am a Lagoon dealer.

And you'll forgive me if I observe (not to detract from the seaworthiness of
the Cumberland 44) that the "25 knots in the Gulfstream" video shows a
rather benign sea-state for that particular body of water.

Ian Vale

Sound Catamarans LLC, 48 Hammock Rd South, Westbrook, CT 06498

Phone: (860) 399-3400  /  Fax: (860) 399-3402  /  Cell: (860) 391-3491
E-mail: ian@soundcats.com  /  Website: www.soundcats.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert/Noelle Harrott" harrott@cox.net
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: [PCW] Sneezig and sniveling

I hope that the speculation and underinformed conjecture about the capcized
boat is behind us. For a while I thought this forum had turned into a
beauty
salon.
Moving along... The recently posted concerns about the Lagoon's wetting
problems are a valid critcism. However, there are two seperate apparent
shortcomings with the boat. There are the issues of the "sneezing" and the
issue of the spray coming up off the
windward bow. Both problems have been reported repeatedly.Even Lagoon
dealers
have candidly commented on the issue in this forum. Lagoon documents the
spray
problem in virtually every publicity photo and video. Spray dominates the
Lagoon's ride. As for the sneezing, this undesirable ideosyncracy has been
described by owners and charterers.
The spray problem mentioned in the Passagemaker article seemingly could
and
should have been handled during the redesign of the new Powercat 44. To
have
the rep from Lagoon America allude to saying (according to the
Passagemaker
article) that they are looking into a "fix", five years and a model change
after the problem was first apparent is hard to swallow. The sneezing,
more
than likely will require a major design reconsideration.
Meanwhile the Lagoon remains a stunning design departure from the norm
which
offers features not to be found elsewhere in the industry.
An interesting "how to" demonstration of powercat hull design is available
from Fontaine Pajot. The video "Gulfstream at 25 Knots"  may be viewed on
the
Aeroyacht website. It is a marvelous display of how dry and stable a
cruising
powercat can be in seas generally not seen in publicity videos.
I suppose I got in more than my two cents worth, Bert Harrott.


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Bert Don't be unduly influenced by the Lagoon publicity material...! Individual shots are often selected for their drama and visual appeal, and the video material likewise - it's not intended as a documentary. Even so, I don't see anybody on the bows or in the forward cockpit getting wet. In order to determine whether we are indulging in "speculation and underinformed conjecture" on the "Lagoon's wetting problems" it might be useful to hear from a few owners at some point. I recognize that my reporting of this issue as being somewhat exaggerated - even after 7,500nm on the boat - may be received with some skepticism as I am a Lagoon dealer. And you'll forgive me if I observe (not to detract from the seaworthiness of the Cumberland 44) that the "25 knots in the Gulfstream" video shows a rather benign sea-state for that particular body of water. Ian Vale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sound Catamarans LLC, 48 Hammock Rd South, Westbrook, CT 06498 Phone: (860) 399-3400 / Fax: (860) 399-3402 / Cell: (860) 391-3491 E-mail: ian@soundcats.com / Website: www.soundcats.com Dealers for Lagoon catamarans - sail and power Dealers for Excitecat power catamarans Agents for Alliaura Marine - Privilege sail & TransCat power catamarans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert/Noelle Harrott" <harrott@cox.net> To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: [PCW] Sneezig and sniveling >I hope that the speculation and underinformed conjecture about the capcized > boat is behind us. For a while I thought this forum had turned into a > beauty > salon. > Moving along... The recently posted concerns about the Lagoon's wetting > problems are a valid critcism. However, there are two seperate apparent > shortcomings with the boat. There are the issues of the "sneezing" and the > issue of the spray coming up off the > windward bow. Both problems have been reported repeatedly.Even Lagoon > dealers > have candidly commented on the issue in this forum. Lagoon documents the > spray > problem in virtually every publicity photo and video. Spray dominates the > Lagoon's ride. As for the sneezing, this undesirable ideosyncracy has been > described by owners and charterers. > The spray problem mentioned in the Passagemaker article seemingly could > and > should have been handled during the redesign of the new Powercat 44. To > have > the rep from Lagoon America allude to saying (according to the > Passagemaker > article) that they are looking into a "fix", five years and a model change > after the problem was first apparent is hard to swallow. The sneezing, > more > than likely will require a major design reconsideration. > Meanwhile the Lagoon remains a stunning design departure from the norm > which > offers features not to be found elsewhere in the industry. > An interesting "how to" demonstration of powercat hull design is available > from Fontaine Pajot. The video "Gulfstream at 25 Knots" may be viewed on > the > Aeroyacht website. It is a marvelous display of how dry and stable a > cruising > powercat can be in seas generally not seen in publicity videos. > I suppose I got in more than my two cents worth, Bert Harrott. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List