Thanks, I will look to that. But after it nulls again (earth problem
fixed and put the solartron on the same group as the calibrators the
problem is less. So I am going to make more work from the shielding and
guarding.
A replaced the opamp in the 731A. I did not believe it was the problem
but it was not much work so worth to try.
But it did not matter. No difference. I simululated the circuit in spice
and when I short out the compensating transistor I get the same results
as in real live. I think my Vref is now just the voltage divider made
from R5 ( paralleled by R8A) and R8B so that is why the other dividers
have influence.
So first I will test the behavour of Vref (Most times I try to figure it
out on paper and simulation after first global measurement results, and
if I find the problem like that, I start to measure the specific things
I need to know if I'm right. Maybe a bit an unusual methode but it works
for me ;-) )
I bought a BBC Servogor writer. i connected my 845 between the 332 and
my homebuild reference. Put it on the 30uV scale, the writer on the
output. In the 10mV/cm position. But I am terrible at math. So 30uV is
100 cm, 1 cm is 300nV. I placed a 10uF cap over the writer output to
suppress spikes and short time effects, ect and now it is writing at
3cm/hour. I turned it on when still cool but it got hot this afternoon
In about an hour the line moved a few mm to the right (also still a bit
warming up of the instruments I think) but after that the writer writes
a straight line. I leave it on this night. Nice experiment. After that I
want to look at short time noise but then I have to limmit the
bandwidth.
What is the best way to get a good measurement ?
Fred
Will schreef op za 01-10-2011 om 11:43 [+0300]:
If i do a calibration on 10 V. It showes 10.000,000 on the display, but if I
switch the 720 to 1.000,000 Volt the display shows 0.999,980 Volt. If I
switch the solartron to the 1 V range it reads 1.000,000.x Volt. So the 10 V
range is not lineair. The stupid thing is, I can get it right. If I use the
filter while meauring the 1 V in th 10 V range it is correct but then it
will not read the 10 V correct. So it looks like there is some noise of
common mode problem. I have not checked the 1 V range the same way. I will
do that too.
Does that ring a bell to someone ?
Fred PA4TIM
The 7061 input resistance loads the 720A output. 10 Gohm should result
approximately 4ppm error.
IF the 720A is working perfectly, the input resistance of your 7061
(including connection cables) is lower than specified. Could be dust,
fingerprints...
Will
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Thanks, I will look to that. But after it nulls again (earth problem
fixed and put the solartron on the same group as the calibrators the
problem is less. So I am going to make more work from the shielding and
guarding.
A replaced the opamp in the 731A. I did not believe it was the problem
but it was not much work so worth to try.
But it did not matter. No difference. I simululated the circuit in spice
and when I short out the compensating transistor I get the same results
as in real live. I think my Vref is now just the voltage divider made
from R5 ( paralleled by R8A) and R8B so that is why the other dividers
have influence.
So first I will test the behavour of Vref (Most times I try to figure it
out on paper and simulation after first global measurement results, and
if I find the problem like that, I start to measure the specific things
I need to know if I'm right. Maybe a bit an unusual methode but it works
for me ;-) )
I bought a BBC Servogor writer. i connected my 845 between the 332 and
my homebuild reference. Put it on the 30uV scale, the writer on the
output. In the 10mV/cm position. But I am terrible at math. So 30uV is
100 cm, 1 cm is 300nV. I placed a 10uF cap over the writer output to
suppress spikes and short time effects, ect and now it is writing at
3cm/hour. I turned it on when still cool but it got hot this afternoon
In about an hour the line moved a few mm to the right (also still a bit
warming up of the instruments I think) but after that the writer writes
a straight line. I leave it on this night. Nice experiment. After that I
want to look at short time noise but then I have to limmit the
bandwidth.
What is the best way to get a good measurement ?
Fred
Will schreef op za 01-10-2011 om 11:43 [+0300]:
> > If i do a calibration on 10 V. It showes 10.000,000 on the display, but if I
> > switch the 720 to 1.000,000 Volt the display shows 0.999,980 Volt. If I
> > switch the solartron to the 1 V range it reads 1.000,000.x Volt. So the 10 V
> > range is not lineair. The stupid thing is, I can get it right. If I use the
> > filter while meauring the 1 V in th 10 V range it is correct but then it
> > will not read the 10 V correct. So it looks like there is some noise of
> > common mode problem. I have not checked the 1 V range the same way. I will
> > do that too.
> >
> > Does that ring a bell to someone ?
> >
> > Fred PA4TIM
>
>
> The 7061 input resistance loads the 720A output. 10 Gohm should result
> approximately 4ppm error.
>
> IF the 720A is working perfectly, the input resistance of your 7061
> (including connection cables) is lower than specified. Could be dust,
> fingerprints...
>
> Will
>
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