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Bob Austin
Wed, May 11, 2005 3:09 AM

There are some cored hulls which are very strong--and I reference a story I have related in the past--that of a boat I was on hitting a container at 8 knots-- had 3" strip planked balsa core--the outer skin was breached, the core was impacted and the inner skin was delaminated, but not breached; no water entered the boat.

During the years, I have seen a lot of wrecked boats--but nothing like this last season with Hurricane Ivan.  I examined over 400 damaged boats.  Some of these boats had Kevlar layers in the laminate. I can testify that having the Kevlar did not prevent the from boat being broken.  There were many types of damage, but often blunt force, tore the layers of laminate apart.
Generally cored boats did not fare as well as solid boats, when they banged on pilings, fell off racks, hit rocks or were hit by other boats.  I own three boats: one is solid under the water line, with a cored hull above the waterline, another has full glass thickness on the bottom and sides, but there is also 1 1/2" of balsa inside of the bottom, with another 1/4" of glass on the inside, and the third is all solid glass.  I don't worry about what material construction is used in any of the hulls.

I do have my choice for crossing oceans however--and that is solid glass, or a core much more substantial than the averaged foam cored boat.

I agree that Larry's comments are appreciated.

Regards,

Bob Austin

There are some cored hulls which are very strong--and I reference a story I have related in the past--that of a boat I was on hitting a container at 8 knots-- had 3" strip planked balsa core--the outer skin was breached, the core was impacted and the inner skin was delaminated, but not breached; no water entered the boat. During the years, I have seen a lot of wrecked boats--but nothing like this last season with Hurricane Ivan. I examined over 400 damaged boats. Some of these boats had Kevlar layers in the laminate. I can testify that having the Kevlar did not prevent the from boat being broken. There were many types of damage, but often blunt force, tore the layers of laminate apart. Generally cored boats did not fare as well as solid boats, when they banged on pilings, fell off racks, hit rocks or were hit by other boats. I own three boats: one is solid under the water line, with a cored hull above the waterline, another has full glass thickness on the bottom and sides, but there is also 1 1/2" of balsa inside of the bottom, with another 1/4" of glass on the inside, and the third is all solid glass. I don't worry about what material construction is used in any of the hulls. I do have my choice for crossing oceans however--and that is solid glass, or a core much more substantial than the averaged foam cored boat. I agree that Larry's comments are appreciated. Regards, Bob Austin
MO
Mike O'Dell
Wed, May 11, 2005 3:42 AM

coming to the end of a composite new-boat construction project,
the one thing i'm dead certain about is that epoxy is the only
resin system for composites that i'm willing to bet my life on.

the use of polyester (and vinylester) resin composites is the
cause of many, many problems in thousands of boats every year.
in fact, the lousy secondary bond strength alone argues strongly
that polyester laminates should be outlawed. the fact that the
fix for osmotic blisters is applying a coating of epoxy should
also be a big hint.

the real tragedy is that the difference in resin cost for a
good-sized boat is vanishing in the global scheme of things.

after having see some comparative destructive tests of
poly and epoxy laminates it is be very apparent which one
I want keeping the blue water on the outside of the boat.

cheers,
-mo
coming to the end of a composite new-boat construction project, the one thing i'm dead certain about is that epoxy is the only resin system for composites that i'm willing to bet my life on. the use of polyester (and vinylester) resin composites is the cause of many, many problems in thousands of boats every year. in fact, the lousy secondary bond strength alone argues strongly that polyester laminates should be outlawed. the fact that the fix for osmotic blisters is applying a coating of epoxy should also be a big hint. the real tragedy is that the difference in resin cost for a good-sized boat is vanishing in the global scheme of things. after having see some comparative destructive tests of poly and epoxy laminates it is be very apparent which one I want keeping the blue water on the outside of the boat. cheers, -mo