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bob england
Thu, Sep 7, 2006 6:30 PM

I think I mentioned that a cpp and pyrometer would be the best way to assure
not being overpropped, or words to that effect. I don't know any
manufacturers that intentionally overprop a boat, but then again, I am
certainly not familiar with them all. I do know that everyone that I have
talked to or read about, that intentionally overpropped there boat
(overdrive mentality ?) decided to prop it correctly later. ymmv

I think I mentioned that a cpp and pyrometer would be the best way to assure not being overpropped, or words to that effect. I don't know any manufacturers that intentionally overprop a boat, but then again, I am certainly not familiar with them all. I do know that everyone that I have talked to or read about, that intentionally overpropped there boat (overdrive mentality ?) decided to prop it correctly later. ymmv
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Patrick Gerety
Thu, Sep 7, 2006 7:20 PM

--- bob england bob_england@hotmail.com wrote:

I
don't know any
manufacturers that intentionally overprop a boat,

Willard Marine was founded by Bill Tighe (now
deceased) back in the 1950's.  Bill was a big fan of
over-propping.  All the Willard 30's, 36's, and 40's
produced in the 60's, 70's and 80's were over-propped.
However diesel marine engines were a bit different
then and evidently the makers  encouraged
over-propping to some extent.  I personally don't know
of any Willard engines that have been replaced from
those years as a result of damage caused by
over-propping.

I don't encourage over-propping with the marine
engines that are available today.  The conventional
wisdom and recommendation of diesel makers today is
that the engine should achieve maximum rated RPM's at
WOT under load.  If the boat is propped to achieve
that parameter, then the sweet spot for cruising is
between 60% and 80% of maximum rated RPM's.  My John
Deere turbo is propped to meet manufacturer's
specifications.

Patrick
Willard 40PH
ALOHA
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--- bob england <bob_england@hotmail.com> wrote: >I > don't know any > manufacturers that intentionally overprop a boat, Willard Marine was founded by Bill Tighe (now deceased) back in the 1950's. Bill was a big fan of over-propping. All the Willard 30's, 36's, and 40's produced in the 60's, 70's and 80's were over-propped. However diesel marine engines were a bit different then and evidently the makers encouraged over-propping to some extent. I personally don't know of any Willard engines that have been replaced from those years as a result of damage caused by over-propping. I don't encourage over-propping with the marine engines that are available today. The conventional wisdom and recommendation of diesel makers today is that the engine should achieve maximum rated RPM's at WOT under load. If the boat is propped to achieve that parameter, then the sweet spot for cruising is between 60% and 80% of maximum rated RPM's. My John Deere turbo is propped to meet manufacturer's specifications. Patrick Willard 40PH ALOHA Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Ron Rogers
Thu, Sep 7, 2006 8:13 PM

I own a 1985 Willard 40 with a Perkins 6.354 whose manual states that it
should be propped so that it can achieve WOT at 2800rpm. Willard equipped it
with a 28x18 three-bladed prop. Underway, max rpms was 2550 rpm on an
adjusted tach. The engine seemed to labor and the engine room was always
very hot, but the engine ran at normal temperatures, although it came up to
temperature very quickly.

I changed the pitch twice determining, finally, that 28x17 allowed 2800 rpm
and I could cruise at 2200 rpm instead of the previous1800 rpm. There is now
less noise and heat. However, top speed has dropped from 8.6 knots to 8
knots. I don't care because cruise has been 7 to 7.5 knots and I intend to
experiment at lower speeds to find the most fuel efficient compromise.

Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Gerety" alohaboat@yahoo.com
|
| Willard Marine was founded by Bill Tighe (now
| deceased) back in the 1950's.  Bill was a big fan of
| over-propping.  All the Willard 30's, 36's, and 40's
| produced in the 60's, 70's and 80's were over-propped.
| However diesel marine engines were a bit different
| then and evidently the makers  encouraged
| over-propping to some extent.
|
| I don't encourage over-propping with the marine
| engines that are available today.  The conventional
| wisdom and recommendation of diesel makers today is
| that the engine should achieve maximum rated RPM's at
| WOT under load.

I own a 1985 Willard 40 with a Perkins 6.354 whose manual states that it should be propped so that it can achieve WOT at 2800rpm. Willard equipped it with a 28x18 three-bladed prop. Underway, max rpms was 2550 rpm on an adjusted tach. The engine seemed to labor and the engine room was always very hot, but the engine ran at normal temperatures, although it came up to temperature very quickly. I changed the pitch twice determining, finally, that 28x17 allowed 2800 rpm and I could cruise at 2200 rpm instead of the previous1800 rpm. There is now less noise and heat. However, top speed has dropped from 8.6 knots to 8 knots. I don't care because cruise has been 7 to 7.5 knots and I intend to experiment at lower speeds to find the most fuel efficient compromise. Ron Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Gerety" <alohaboat@yahoo.com> | | Willard Marine was founded by Bill Tighe (now | deceased) back in the 1950's. Bill was a big fan of | over-propping. All the Willard 30's, 36's, and 40's | produced in the 60's, 70's and 80's were over-propped. | However diesel marine engines were a bit different | then and evidently the makers encouraged | over-propping to some extent. | | I don't encourage over-propping with the marine | engines that are available today. The conventional | wisdom and recommendation of diesel makers today is | that the engine should achieve maximum rated RPM's at | WOT under load.