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That is very good advice. My question is, however, how many states besides
Florida allow non ethanol fuel to be sold?
RC
In a message dated 11/30/2011 9:00:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
FloridaKeyz@aol.com writes:
We run several boats professionally, and after our bad experience,We
NEVER
use ethanol, we use Non Ethanol Fuel only, and this is AFTER losing a
motor to Ethanol.
There is NO argument, period.
Only burn non ethanol fuel.
Talk to cruisers who have stored there boats with ethanol fuel, and ask.
No Kidding, avoid ethanol at all costs!!!
There is my 5 cents worth, trickily from experience!
See you in Paradise!
Capt. Sterling
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That is very good advice. My question is, however, how many states besides
Florida allow non ethanol fuel to be sold?
I have friend who owns a marina here in Canada (Ontario) and apparently,
one of the reasons marinas have to charge a bit more for gas is that the
gas they sell has no ethanol and they have to pay more.
You might want to ask around.
I am finding this very interesting.
Thanks, all.
I work with a Marina in Alabama. We sell non-ethanol gas. Our supplier tells us that like our diesel it is rated for off road use. For this we pay more. when I asked why we pay more for fuels that take less refining he couldn't give me an answer. I guess we pay more for less because it's not produced in large volumes like the governments newer gasoline.
As a side note: In all of my small 4 strokes I burn mid-grade gas from any station and add about on eighth oz. of Marvel Mystery Oil per gallon. Have had no problems with them since starting this. Engines run smoother and cleaner.
Tom B.
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Subject: Re: GL: Ethanol and Small 4 cycle outboards
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Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 10:15 PM
That is very good advice. My question is, however, how many states besides
Florida allow non ethanol fuel to be sold?
I have friend who owns a marina here in Canada (Ontario) and apparently, one of the reasons marinas have to charge a bit more for gas is that the gas they sell has no ethanol and they have to pay more.
You might want to ask around.
I am finding this very interesting.
Thanks, all.
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To the best of my knowledge, the extra cost for both Diesel
AND gasoline fuels has mostly to do with the quantities that
are delivered to the retail seller. Marina tanks are really
quite small when compared to land based service stations.
Also, many marinas are in relatively isolated areas requiring
long distances for delivery from fuel depots.
I don't believe that pleasure boats are allowed to use the
"off road" Diesel. That is strictly for off-road equipment
such as used in road construction and farming. If you get
caught with even a trace of that stuff in your pleasure boat
tanks ("They" CAN identify it), you are in for big fines!
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
- Grand Lake & OKC - OK *
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 03:09:08 -0800
From: tomb215@yahoo.com
To: allendick@gmail.com
CC: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: Ethanol and Small 4 cycle outboards
I work with a Marina in Alabama. We sell non-ethanol gas. Our supplier tells us that like our diesel it is rated for off road use. For this we pay more. when I asked why we pay more for fuels that take less refining he couldn't give me an answer. I guess we pay more for less because it's not produced in large volumes like the governments newer gasoline.
As a side note: In all of my small 4 strokes I burn mid-grade gas from any station and add about on eighth oz. of Marvel Mystery Oil per gallon. Have had no problems with them since starting this. Engines run smoother and cleaner.
Tom B.
Off road is what we use. It is dyed red and has no road taxes which should
make it cheaper. But here in NC you can buy off road for $3.50 a gal and
Diesel at the pump for $3.89 a gallon but for the boat it was $4.05
including sales tax just this past weekend. Just a game that the marinas
play.
The red dye in off road is what will get you in trouble if you use it in
your car or truck. Once the dye gets into the system it will not go away.
It stains everything. No one cares if you use road diesel in your boat.
Vinny
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:28 AM
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Subject: Re: GL: Ethanol and Small 4 cycle outboards
To the best of my knowledge, the extra cost for both Diesel AND gasoline
fuels has mostly to do with the quantities that are delivered to the retail
seller. Marina tanks are really quite small when compared to land based
service stations.
Also, many marinas are in relatively isolated areas requiring long distances
for delivery from fuel depots.
I don't believe that pleasure boats are allowed to use the "off road"
Diesel. That is strictly for off-road equipment such as used in road
construction and farming. If you get caught with even a trace of that stuff
in your pleasure boat tanks ("They" CAN identify it), you are in for big
fines!
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
- Grand Lake & OKC - OK *
** AGLCA (#217) & USPS **
** USAF & FAA, Retired **
** Amateur Radio K2GKK **
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 03:09:08 -0800
From: tomb215@yahoo.com
To: allendick@gmail.com
CC: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: Ethanol and Small 4 cycle outboards
I work with a Marina in Alabama. We sell non-ethanol gas. Our supplier
tells us that like our diesel it is rated for off road use. For this we pay
more. when I asked why we pay more for fuels that take less refining he
couldn't give me an answer. I guess we pay more for less because it's not
produced in large volumes like the governments newer gasoline.
As a side note: In all of my small 4 strokes I burn mid-grade gas from any
station and add about on eighth oz. of Marvel Mystery Oil per gallon. Have
had no problems with them since starting this. Engines run smoother and
cleaner.
Tom B.
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Actually, it's kindof the other way around. Off-road means what it says;
it's dyed pink/red and the price does not include the highway tax
(therefore - off road). Otherwise, it's all the same stuff.
You can use highway (road) diesel in your boat if you wish, but you
cannot use off-road diesel in your highway vehicle. Big fine if you get
caught (but then, who's ever heard of anyone getting caught).
In theory, the off-road should be cheaper because there is no highway
tax; that used to be the case perhaps 6-8 years ago. Then the marina
operators got smart and realized they could make an even bigger profit
by jacking up the price of diesel.
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On 12/1/2011 10:27 AM, D C Mac Macdonald wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, the extra cost for both Diesel
AND gasoline fuels has mostly to do with the quantities that
are delivered to the retail seller. Marina tanks are really
quite small when compared to land based service stations.
Also, many marinas are in relatively isolated areas requiring
long distances for delivery from fuel depots.
I don't believe that pleasure boats are allowed to use the
"off road" Diesel. That is strictly for off-road equipment
such as used in road construction and farming. If you get
caught with even a trace of that stuff in your pleasure boat
tanks ("They" CAN identify it), you are in for big fines!
I know both Oregon and Washington allow it for Marine use, but the key is
check with the individual fuel dock. Example, up here in the San Juan's I
noted Anacortes sells ethanol free while Roche Harbor does not. This is due
to cost associated with putting a special tanker truck on the ferries to
bring over ethanol free fuel - so they just use the same stuff hauled over
for the auto gas stations.
Local marine motor repair shop also commented ethanol fuel has GREATLY
increased their business!
-al-
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That is very good advice. My question is, however, how many states besides
Florida allow non ethanol fuel to be sold?
RC
RC:
This site lists known vendors of non-ethanol, or E0, gasoline:
I am not sure that any states prohibit its sale.
Regards,
Wesley
wpeldred@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: GL: Ethanol and Small 4 cycle outboards
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Florida allow non ethanol fuel to be sold?
RC