Re: [PCW] Will power catamarans gain from the America's Cup?
< RQ, you are letting your performance racing background cloud your vision. >
I have spent a week each October for the last two years on a Robertson and
Caine 46 power cat, using it for race committee work, for which it is the most
fabulous platform. Lots of upper deck space with incredible visibility, fast
enough to get to the finish area ahead of the racing monohulls, lovely cockpit
for evening entertainment.
One problem is that my hips are sore from compensating for the quick little
motions generated by even the smallest wavelets. Sure, I could probably get
used to it, but there is also the space issue in the hulls; long narrow
spaces.
The master on my trawler is 15 x 17 with walk in closets and true queen berth,
plus a separate fifty square foot bathroom with room for two people. I don't
roll because of the anti-roll tank I had installed, and I get two miles to the
gallon at eight knots.
I am happy at eight knots and enjoy nights at sea cruising under the stars in
a relaxed state, which you don't get at speeds above displacement. My
efficiency isn't adversely affected by how much fuel I carry or food and
water, or how many passengers I have. Sure, I draw five and a half feet, but
my wheels are fully protected.
I have customers who traded their Tayana 55 for a Voyage 580 a few years ago.
They sailed it down here from Lauderdale and put it up for sale. They had
circumnavigated on their Tayana and commented that no one had warned them of
the noise and quick motion of a cat. They were used to sleeping at sea in the
aft cabin of their Tayana, with an easy motion and quietness, even going
upwind; just the opposite with the cat. They sold the cat fairly quickly and
bought a 135' fishing trawler, which they have turned into an expedition
yacht, setting off again in real comfort!
I love cats. I love the speed. I would sail on the new AC boats in a
heartbeat, given the opportunity. I love going fast at sea and the adrenaline
rush generated by jumping over wave tops in big boats. My wife spent a day
embedded on ABM AMRO One when they were here for their Caribbean racing tour
following their win in the Volvo RTWR and raved about the experience for
weeks, as she did every time we raced the Stiletto 30 offshore, or any of the
other race boats she's sailed on. Speed junkies.
I love zipping around the BVI in our Cattech 29 with twelve people at twenty
knots and burning only four GPH. It is much more comfortable to spend the day
on doing race committee work than the Scarab 38 that I have used or my 23
Seacraft. It is the future for efficient travel short distance; I will be
taking it to St. Maarten and other Caribbean Islands with no qualms as the
trip will be short
However, when it is just the two of us we prefer the slow lane, lazing on our
upper deck watching the scenery going by at a nice easy motion!
Robert Phillips, Managing Director
Doyle Sailmakers BVI, Ltd
Tel: +284-494-2569
Mobile: +284-541-2206
VOIP US Tel: 423-285-8752
Skype: doylebvi
Dear Bob,
Could you please give me a address to contact Dr Bass to
design a ART for my 43' trawler.
Thanks,
Rich Pukal
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Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCW] Will power catamarans gain from the America's Cup?
< RQ, you are letting your performance racing background cloud your vision.
I have spent a week each October for the last two years on a Robertson and
Caine 46 power cat, using it for race committee work, for which it is the
most
fabulous platform. Lots of upper deck space with incredible visibility,
fast
enough to get to the finish area ahead of the racing monohulls, lovely
cockpit
for evening entertainment.
One problem is that my hips are sore from compensating for the quick little
motions generated by even the smallest wavelets. Sure, I could probably get
used to it, but there is also the space issue in the hulls; long narrow
spaces.
The master on my trawler is 15 x 17 with walk in closets and true queen
berth,
plus a separate fifty square foot bathroom with room for two people. I
don't
roll because of the anti-roll tank I had installed, and I get two miles to
the
gallon at eight knots.
I am happy at eight knots and enjoy nights at sea cruising under the stars
in
a relaxed state, which you don't get at speeds above displacement. My
efficiency isn't adversely affected by how much fuel I carry or food and
water, or how many passengers I have. Sure, I draw five and a half feet,
but
my wheels are fully protected.
I have customers who traded their Tayana 55 for a Voyage 580 a few years
ago.
They sailed it down here from Lauderdale and put it up for sale. They had
circumnavigated on their Tayana and commented that no one had warned them of
the noise and quick motion of a cat. They were used to sleeping at sea in
the
aft cabin of their Tayana, with an easy motion and quietness, even going
upwind; just the opposite with the cat. They sold the cat fairly quickly
and
bought a 135' fishing trawler, which they have turned into an expedition
yacht, setting off again in real comfort!
I love cats. I love the speed. I would sail on the new AC boats in a
heartbeat, given the opportunity. I love going fast at sea and the
adrenaline
rush generated by jumping over wave tops in big boats. My wife spent a day
embedded on ABM AMRO One when they were here for their Caribbean racing tour
following their win in the Volvo RTWR and raved about the experience for
weeks, as she did every time we raced the Stiletto 30 offshore, or any of
the
other race boats she's sailed on. Speed junkies.
I love zipping around the BVI in our Cattech 29 with twelve people at twenty
knots and burning only four GPH. It is much more comfortable to spend the
day
on doing race committee work than the Scarab 38 that I have used or my 23
Seacraft. It is the future for efficient travel short distance; I will be
taking it to St. Maarten and other Caribbean Islands with no qualms as the
trip will be short
However, when it is just the two of us we prefer the slow lane, lazing on
our
upper deck watching the scenery going by at a nice easy motion!
Robert Phillips, Managing Director
Doyle Sailmakers BVI, Ltd
Tel: +284-494-2569
Mobile: +284-541-2206
VOIP US Tel: 423-285-8752
Skype: doylebvi
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Robert:
Your perspectives on the comparison of the cat vs. mono are insightful, and
useful to remember when looking at cats in the future. A year ago, I spent
the night on a PDQ 34, and acquired a back ache through no fault of the cat
itself. But after, the problem became exacerbated by the snap roll of the
cat, which I wasn't used to. The problem is gone now, and I still like cats
and how they are evolving, but it's easy to believe that those used to the
gentle roll of a mono will indeed have some adjusting to do when moving to a
cat. I've heard an equal amount of positive comments about switching the
other way. Each to his own. Thanks for your insightful comments.
Lawrence Giles
Berlin
--- On Sat, 9/18/10, Robert Phillips bob@doylecaribbean.com wrote:
From: Robert Phillips bob@doylecaribbean.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] Will power catamarans gain from the America's Cup?
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 6:50 PM
< RQ, you are letting your performance racing background cloud your vision. >
I have spent a week each October for the last two years on a Robertson and
Caine 46 power cat, using it for race committee work, for which it is the
most
fabulous platform. Lots of upper deck space with incredible visibility, fast
enough to get to the finish area ahead of the racing monohulls, lovely
cockpit
for evening entertainment.
One problem is that my hips are sore from compensating for the quick little
motions generated by even the smallest wavelets. Sure, I could probably get
used to it, but there is also the space issue in the hulls; long narrow
spaces.
The master on my trawler is 15 x 17 with walk in closets and true queen
berth,
plus a separate fifty square foot bathroom with room for two people. I don't
roll because of the anti-roll tank I had installed, and I get two miles to
the
gallon at eight knots.
I am happy at eight knots and enjoy nights at sea cruising under the stars in
a relaxed state, which you don't get at speeds above displacement. My
efficiency isn't adversely affected by how much fuel I carry or food and
water, or how many passengers I have. Sure, I draw five and a half feet, but
my wheels are fully protected.
I have customers who traded their Tayana 55 for a Voyage 580 a few years ago.
They sailed it down here from Lauderdale and put it up for sale. They had
circumnavigated on their Tayana and commented that no one had warned them of
the noise and quick motion of a cat. They were used to sleeping at sea in
the
aft cabin of their Tayana, with an easy motion and quietness, even going
upwind; just the opposite with the cat. They sold the cat fairly quickly and
bought a 135' fishing trawler, which they have turned into an expedition
yacht, setting off again in real comfort!
I love cats. I love the speed. I would sail on the new AC boats in a
heartbeat, given the opportunity. I love going fast at sea and the
adrenaline
rush generated by jumping over wave tops in big boats. My wife spent a day
embedded on ABM AMRO One when they were here for their Caribbean racing tour
following their win in the Volvo RTWR and raved about the experience for
weeks, as she did every time we raced the Stiletto 30 offshore, or any of the
other race boats she's sailed on. Speed junkies.
I love zipping around the BVI in our Cattech 29 with twelve people at twenty
knots and burning only four GPH. It is much more comfortable to spend the
day
on doing race committee work than the Scarab 38 that I have used or my 23
Seacraft. It is the future for efficient travel short distance; I will be
taking it to St. Maarten and other Caribbean Islands with no qualms as the
trip will be short
However, when it is just the two of us we prefer the slow lane, lazing on our
upper deck watching the scenery going by at a nice easy motion!
Robert Phillips, Managing Director
Doyle Sailmakers BVI, Ltd
Tel: +284-494-2569
Mobile: +284-541-2206
VOIP US Tel: 423-285-8752
Skype: doylebvi
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
RQ, what length is your trawler, what power plant? Not all cats are high
performance or light. I am just finishing building a 52 ft. aluminum sail cat
that weighs 45000 lbs. It has a freestanding mast and dosent have a quick
snappy motion. Ted Hood's displacement cats, or the trawler cat line might be
a better comparison to your boat than the Roberston Caine. The Voyage's needs
more bridge deck clearance, could be part of the problem for your customers
experience.
5.5 draft would make it tough in the Bahamas and other popular cruising areas.
The displaning canoe stern cat designs, with good hull fineness will run at 8
knots and burn 2 gal/hr or less, but where the really outshine monohulls is
around 16-17 knots where some only burn 10-12 gal/hr, and it is nice to go
that fast if you want to.
Pat
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Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] Will power catamarans gain from the America's Cup?
< RQ, you are letting your performance racing background cloud your vision.
I have spent a week each October for the last two years on a Robertson and
Caine 46 power cat, using it for race committee work, for which it is the
most
fabulous platform. Lots of upper deck space with incredible visibility,
fast
enough to get to the finish area ahead of the racing monohulls, lovely
cockpit
for evening entertainment.
One problem is that my hips are sore from compensating for the quick little
motions generated by even the smallest wavelets. Sure, I could probably
get
used to it, but there is also the space issue in the hulls; long narrow
spaces.
The master on my trawler is 15 x 17 with walk in closets and true queen
berth,
plus a separate fifty square foot bathroom with room for two people. I
don't
roll because of the anti-roll tank I had installed, and I get two miles to
the
gallon at eight knots.
I am happy at eight knots and enjoy nights at sea cruising under the stars
in
a relaxed state, which you don't get at speeds above displacement. My
efficiency isn't adversely affected by how much fuel I carry or food and
water, or how many passengers I have. Sure, I draw five and a half feet,
but
my wheels are fully protected.
I have customers who traded their Tayana 55 for a Voyage 580 a few years
ago.
They sailed it down here from Lauderdale and put it up for sale. They had
circumnavigated on their Tayana and commented that no one had warned them
of
the noise and quick motion of a cat. They were used to sleeping at sea in
the
aft cabin of their Tayana, with an easy motion and quietness, even going
upwind; just the opposite with the cat. They sold the cat fairly quickly
and
bought a 135' fishing trawler, which they have turned into an expedition
yacht, setting off again in real comfort!
I love cats. I love the speed. I would sail on the new AC boats in a
heartbeat, given the opportunity. I love going fast at sea and the
adrenaline
rush generated by jumping over wave tops in big boats. My wife spent a day
embedded on ABM AMRO One when they were here for their Caribbean racing
tour
following their win in the Volvo RTWR and raved about the experience for
weeks, as she did every time we raced the Stiletto 30 offshore, or any of
the
other race boats she's sailed on. Speed junkies.
I love zipping around the BVI in our Cattech 29 with twelve people at
twenty
knots and burning only four GPH. It is much more comfortable to spend the
day
on doing race committee work than the Scarab 38 that I have used or my 23
Seacraft. It is the future for efficient travel short distance; I will be
taking it to St. Maarten and other Caribbean Islands with no qualms as the
trip will be short
However, when it is just the two of us we prefer the slow lane, lazing on
our
upper deck watching the scenery going by at a nice easy motion!
Robert Phillips, Managing Director
Doyle Sailmakers BVI, Ltd
Tel: +284-494-2569
Mobile: +284-541-2206
VOIP US Tel: 423-285-8752
Skype: doylebvi
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