Rough seas stuff

GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 2:59 PM

My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing on
your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water passages.

Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel.

Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just about
any boat.

--Georgs

On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote:

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas?
I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to
do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France
(Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my
colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing
mny backbone around.

Many thanks,

regards,
gram.

My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water passages. Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel. Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just about any boat. --Georgs On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote: > hi paige, and other folks, > > An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you > mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? > I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to > do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France > (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my > colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing > mny backbone around. > > Many thanks, > > regards, > gram.
TJ
Tim Jordaan
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 3:15 PM

Hello Gram,
Considering the area you wish to travel there are 2
catamarans
which you could consider, fitted with outboards or with
inboards.
You would also most probably need a toilet and shower
and for
overnights at least 2 double berths.
Both these vessels are not enormously big but have all
the advantages
of the above, the Arrow Cat 30 or the Aventure Cat 30.

Regards,

Tim

Hello Gram, Considering the area you wish to travel there are 2 catamarans which you could consider, fitted with outboards or with inboards. You would also most probably need a toilet and shower and for overnights at least 2 double berths. Both these vessels are not enormously big but have all the advantages of the above, the Arrow Cat 30 or the Aventure Cat 30. Regards, Tim
GR
gram rupert
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? I
am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to do
island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France (Normandy).
Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my colleagues have
ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing mny backbone
around.

Many thanks,

regards,
gram.

I'm new to the list also, and figured I'd take a moment to introduce
myself.

My husband and I are long-time cruising folks, most recently on a 38'
Tradewinds trawler; past boats include a 34' Catalina sailboat and 36'
Mainship.  We've cruised all over the northeast, and completed the Great
Loop in 2006.  Some of our cruise logs (and other stuff) can be found
at our
website www.GoldenTrawler.com.  At the end of the Loop we decided to
sell
the trawler for two reasons; first, we'd had her for eight years,
knew all
her foibles and knew that if we were going to keep her she needed some
significant maintenance due to her soft decks and leaky salon
windows.  And
second, we already were enamored with catamarans and heartily sick of
the
trawler's rolling.  We decided we either needed stabilizers or a cat,
and we
figure a cat is a simpler solution.

We currently have a World Cat 266 SC with twin 200 Yamaha HPDIs -
great boat
for day trips in our local area of southwest Florida.  We call it our
"go to
the beach boat" - and it rides comfortably in all types of weather.
As I
keep telling all my friends, one ride on our World Cat (especially in
choppy
conditions) and you'll sell your monohull in a heartbeat.

In the next year or two, when the stars align, we plan on purchasing
a power
catamaran and head out cruising again.  We'd like to do the Loop
again and
spend a winter or two in the Bahamas; and if I can talk my husband
into it,
I'd like to do the Down East Loop.  Top boats on the wish list right
now are
the PDQ 34 and the Endeavour 38.  However, due to financial
constraints, the
boat we're most likely to end up with - at least at this point - is an
Endeavour 36.  It's not the ideal layout for us, but the prices are
significantly less than the other two boats I mention.

Every once in a while we flirt with the idea of the TomCat 255
(Georgs, I
know you love yours and have enjoyed reading TomCat Tales).  Because
it's
trailerable it would open up a lot of cruising grounds that we wouldn't
likely get to on the larger trawlers.  However, its size is - for us at
least - problematic as a long-term live-aboard. Still, the idea of
towing
cross-country to Lake Powell or up to the San Juan Islands is
intriguing.

I look forward to learning more about power cats - and if anyone has
anything constructive - pro or con - about the boats I mentioned, I'm
eager
to hear it.

Thank you!

Paige Caldwell

hi paige, and other folks, An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing mny backbone around. Many thanks, regards, gram. I'm new to the list also, and figured I'd take a moment to introduce myself. My husband and I are long-time cruising folks, most recently on a 38' Tradewinds trawler; past boats include a 34' Catalina sailboat and 36' Mainship. We've cruised all over the northeast, and completed the Great Loop in 2006. Some of our cruise logs (and other stuff) can be found at our website www.GoldenTrawler.com. At the end of the Loop we decided to sell the trawler for two reasons; first, we'd had her for eight years, knew all her foibles and knew that if we were going to keep her she needed some significant maintenance due to her soft decks and leaky salon windows. And second, we already were enamored with catamarans and heartily sick of the trawler's rolling. We decided we either needed stabilizers or a cat, and we figure a cat is a simpler solution. We currently have a World Cat 266 SC with twin 200 Yamaha HPDIs - great boat for day trips in our local area of southwest Florida. We call it our "go to the beach boat" - and it rides comfortably in all types of weather. As I keep telling all my friends, one ride on our World Cat (especially in choppy conditions) and you'll sell your monohull in a heartbeat. In the next year or two, when the stars align, we plan on purchasing a power catamaran and head out cruising again. We'd like to do the Loop again and spend a winter or two in the Bahamas; and if I can talk my husband into it, I'd like to do the Down East Loop. Top boats on the wish list right now are the PDQ 34 and the Endeavour 38. However, due to financial constraints, the boat we're most likely to end up with - at least at this point - is an Endeavour 36. It's not the ideal layout for us, but the prices are significantly less than the other two boats I mention. Every once in a while we flirt with the idea of the TomCat 255 (Georgs, I know you love yours and have enjoyed reading TomCat Tales). Because it's trailerable it would open up a lot of cruising grounds that we wouldn't likely get to on the larger trawlers. However, its size is - for us at least - problematic as a long-term live-aboard. Still, the idea of towing cross-country to Lake Powell or up to the San Juan Islands is intriguing. I look forward to learning more about power cats - and if anyone has anything constructive - pro or con - about the boats I mentioned, I'm eager to hear it. Thank you! Paige Caldwell
GR
gram rupert
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12 PM

Georgs,

Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to
get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite as
bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough.

Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+ nm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/
showthread.php?t=25712

gram

On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing
on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water
passages.

Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel.

Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just
about any boat.

--Georgs

On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote:

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough
seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea
worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and
France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of
my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and
bouncing mny backbone around.

Many thanks,

regards,
gram.


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Georgs, Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite as bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough. Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+ nm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/ showthread.php?t=25712 gram On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing > on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water > passages. > > Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel. > > Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just > about any boat. > > --Georgs > > > On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote: > >> hi paige, and other folks, >> >> An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you >> mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough >> seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea >> worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and >> France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of >> my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and >> bouncing mny backbone around. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> regards, >> gram. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
GR
gram rupert
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:14 PM

Thanks for that Tim.

I know of the Arrow cat, but I did not know the Adventure cat 30.
I'll take a look at that.

gram

On 13 Oct 2009, at 16:15, Tim Jordaan wrote:

Hello Gram,
Considering the area you wish to travel there
are 2
catamarans
which you could consider, fitted with outboards
or with
inboards.
You would also most probably need a toilet and
shower
and for
overnights at least 2 double berths.
Both these vessels are not enormously big but
have all
the advantages
of the above, the Arrow Cat 30 or the Aventure
Cat 30.

Regards,

Tim


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Thanks for that Tim. I know of the Arrow cat, but I did not know the Adventure cat 30. I'll take a look at that. gram On 13 Oct 2009, at 16:15, Tim Jordaan wrote: > Hello Gram, > Considering the area you wish to travel there > are 2 > catamarans > which you could consider, fitted with outboards > or with > inboards. > You would also most probably need a toilet and > shower > and for > overnights at least 2 double berths. > Both these vessels are not enormously big but > have all > the advantages > of the above, the Arrow Cat 30 or the Aventure > Cat 30. > > Regards, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:22 PM

Well . . . if you truly want an-all weather cat, then you better
consider a Wildcat 36 built in Ireland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuemirsn6LY&feature=channel_page

http://safehavenmarine.com/contents%202%20nd%20version.htm

Just don't blame me if you get bounced around in bad-enough
conditions.  :-)

--Georgs

Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to
get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite
as bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough.

Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+
nm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php
?t=25712

gram

On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing
on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water
passages.

Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel.

Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just
about any boat.

--Georgs

On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote:

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough
seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea
worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and
France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of
my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and
bouncing mny backbone around.

Well . . . if you truly want an-all weather cat, then you better consider a Wildcat 36 built in Ireland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuemirsn6LY&feature=channel_page http://safehavenmarine.com/contents%202%20nd%20version.htm Just don't blame me if you get bounced around in bad-enough conditions. :-) --Georgs > Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to > get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite > as bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough. > > Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+ > nm. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php > ?t=25712 > > gram > > > On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > >> My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing >> on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water >> passages. >> >> Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel. >> >> Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just >> about any boat. >> >> --Georgs >> >> >> On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote: >> >>> hi paige, and other folks, >>> >>> An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you >>> mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough >>> seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea >>> worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and >>> France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of >>> my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and >>> bouncing mny backbone around.
TJ
Tim Jordaan
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:37 PM

Hi,
The Aventure 30 is a very stable vessel designed by Lavranos that
has also a very solid offshore
Pedigree and they use the vessel to fish off Cape Agulus and that
is no picnic.
It comes in at a base fishing price with 2 outboards 2 x 140hp or
full house with
inboard 2 x 160hp diesels, 2 double cabins, galley, toilet and
shower, CEE approved which is vital
for Europe.

Regards,

Tim

Hi, The Aventure 30 is a very stable vessel designed by Lavranos that has also a very solid offshore Pedigree and they use the vessel to fish off Cape Agulus and that is no picnic. It comes in at a base fishing price with 2 outboards 2 x 140hp or full house with inboard 2 x 160hp diesels, 2 double cabins, galley, toilet and shower, CEE approved which is vital for Europe. Regards, Tim
M
Mark
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:53 PM

I think the real ticket is to get some of the suspension seats that they use in the north sea and the military. http://www.ullmans.com/index.asp
There are other less high tech variants, e.g. http://glyde-ryde.com/

If you are looking used, there should be some Glacier Bay's around, Larry Graf took the 26' offshore quite a bit.

There is also MooseBoats (http://www.mooseboats.com/index.html ) and Graf's new company aspen has a 28' cruiser in the works (http://www.aspenpowercatamarans.com/pages/28AspenC-90.html )


From: Georgs Kolesnikovs gxk@earthlink.net
To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 12:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] Rough seas stuff

Well . . . if you truly want an-all weather cat, then you better
consider a Wildcat 36 built in Ireland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuemirsn6LY&feature=channel_page

http://safehavenmarine.com/contents%202%20nd%20version.htm

Just don't blame me if you get bounced around in bad-enough
conditions.  :-)

--Georgs

Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to
get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite
as bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough.

Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+
nm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php
?t=25712

gram

On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing
on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water
passages.

Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel.

Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just
about any boat.

--Georgs

On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote:

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough
seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea
worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and
France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of
my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and
bouncing mny backbone around.


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

I think the real ticket is to get some of the suspension seats that they use in the north sea and the military. http://www.ullmans.com/index.asp There are other less high tech variants, e.g. http://glyde-ryde.com/ If you are looking used, there should be some Glacier Bay's around, Larry Graf took the 26' offshore quite a bit. There is also MooseBoats (http://www.mooseboats.com/index.html ) and Graf's new company aspen has a 28' cruiser in the works (http://www.aspenpowercatamarans.com/pages/28AspenC-90.html ) ________________________________ From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net> To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 12:22:37 PM Subject: Re: [PCW] Rough seas stuff Well . . . if you truly want an-all weather cat, then you better consider a Wildcat 36 built in Ireland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuemirsn6LY&feature=channel_page http://safehavenmarine.com/contents%202%20nd%20version.htm Just don't blame me if you get bounced around in bad-enough conditions. :-) --Georgs > Thanks for that. But, if you live on an island where the only way to > get there is by boat, sometimes you just have to go out. Not quite > as bad as the link below perhaps, but often bad enough. > > Dont' have to go across the Channel. Normandy Guernsey is about 25+ > nm. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk&eurl=http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php > ?t=25712 > > gram > > > On 13 Oct 2009, at 15:59, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > >> My belief is that the key to avoiding getting wet and/or bouncing >> on your tailbone is to pick you weather carefully for open-water >> passages. >> >> Any of the boats you mentioned will make the run across the Channel. >> >> Go out in a gale and you'll get bounced around real good in just >> about any boat. >> >> --Georgs >> >> >> On 13-Oct-09, at 11:42 AM, gram rupert wrote: >> >>> hi paige, and other folks, >>> >>> An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you >>> mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough >>> seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea >>> worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and >>> France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of >>> my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and >>> bouncing mny backbone around. _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List
M
Mark
Fri, Oct 23, 2009 5:05 PM

One other one i ran across that I haven't seen much discussion about..

Buzzards Bay 33, diesel or outboard. http://www.mdcats.com/


From: gram rupert gramario@tin.it
To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:42:17 AM
Subject: [PCW] Rough seas stuff

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing mny backbone around.

Many thanks,

regards,
gram.

One other one i ran across that I haven't seen much discussion about.. Buzzards Bay 33, diesel or outboard. http://www.mdcats.com/ ________________________________ From: gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:42:17 AM Subject: [PCW] Rough seas stuff hi paige, and other folks, An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and bouncing mny backbone around. Many thanks, regards, gram.
GR
gram rupert
Sat, Oct 24, 2009 10:12 AM

Nice looking, but the BASE price ($287,000) doesn't make her that
interest8ng. There are tons of boats around for that price,
especially in this period.

gram

On 23 Oct 2009, at 18:05, Mark wrote:

One other one i ran across that I haven't seen much discussion about..

Buzzards Bay 33, diesel or outboard. http://www.mdcats.com/


From: gram rupert gramario@tin.it
To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:42:17 AM
Subject: [PCW] Rough seas stuff

hi paige, and other folks,

An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you
mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas?
I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to
do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France
(Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my
colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and
bouncing mny backbone around.

Many thanks,

regards,
gram.


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Nice looking, but the BASE price ($287,000) doesn't make her that interest8ng. There are tons of boats around for that price, especially in this period. gram On 23 Oct 2009, at 18:05, Mark wrote: > One other one i ran across that I haven't seen much discussion about.. > > Buzzards Bay 33, diesel or outboard. http://www.mdcats.com/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> > To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:42:17 AM > Subject: [PCW] Rough seas stuff > > hi paige, and other folks, > > An interesting post yours. I am just wondering how these cats you > mentioned World Cat 266, Endeavour, and Tom Cat fare in rough seas? > I am looking for something smallish, but particularly sea worthy to > do island hopping between the UK Channel Islands and France > (Normandy). Could someone let me have an opinion? A lot of my > colleagues have ribs, but I get fed up with getting wet and > bouncing mny backbone around. > > Many thanks, > > regards, > gram. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List