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Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable route
from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
Once you get to Lake Erie, it is deep draft sailing all the way. Its called
the St. Lawrence Seaway. No doubt others out east can give you the best way
to get from NYC to Lake Erie.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
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Subject: GL: Annapolis to Lake Superior
Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable route
from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
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Thanks. I have just begun to think about this and I was wondering if
the Hudson and the canals are the best route or if there is another
way. I've done that route a few times, but arriving from offshore, not
from down the coast.
From Annapolis, I see the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal to shortcut the
trip north, assuming it is deep enough, but wonder if there are inside
routes up the coast that are suitable with that draft, all under engine
power -- or some other route entirely.
On 4/08/16 9:36 AM, David Sorenson wrote:
Once you get to Lake Erie, it is deep draft sailing all the way. Its
called the St. Lawrence Seaway. No doubt others out east can give you
the best way to get from NYC to Lake Erie.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
-----Original Message----- From: allen
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 10:30 AM
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Subject: GL: Annapolis to Lake Superior
Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable route
from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
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The Chesapeak Delaware canal is very deep. The inside route from Cape May
is very shallow at spots. I had some difficulty several years ago with a 4
ft draft. I have never attempted it again.
Cape May, Atlantic City, Manisquam are all weather inlets and 6 ft will be
no problem. The new Barnegat inlet is not bad and will take your draft.
With your draft you would have to use the Eire canal by way of lake Ontario
I believe.
Earl
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, allen allendick@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks. I have just begun to think about this and I was wondering if the
Hudson and the canals are the best route or if there is another way. I've
done that route a few times, but arriving from offshore, not from down the
coast.
From Annapolis, I see the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal to shortcut the
trip north, assuming it is deep enough, but wonder if there are inside
routes up the coast that are suitable with that draft, all under engine
power -- or some other route entirely.
On 4/08/16 9:36 AM, David Sorenson wrote:
Once you get to Lake Erie, it is deep draft sailing all the way. Its
called the St. Lawrence Seaway. No doubt others out east can give you the
best way to get from NYC to Lake Erie.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 10:30 AM
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Subject: GL: Annapolis to Lake Superior
Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable route
from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
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With a 7 foot draft, the Trent-Severn Waterway is out of the question.
The navigation channel through that waterway is 6 (SIX) feet. The sills
of the locks would prevent your entry.
See http://www.thetrentsevernwaterway.com/index.html#gps
where it states "The Navigation channel runs a depth of six feet from
start to finish. "
This means you have two choices to get to Lake Superior: Erie Canal to
Buffalo; Lake Ontario and the Welland Canal.
The Erie Canal carries a depth of 12 feet end to end. See
http://www.nycanals.com/Erie_Canal
No matter which way you go you'd need to dismast a sailboat, even to get
into Lake Ontario (via either Lake Champlain or the Oswego Canal).
The adventurous alternative, of course, is to sail around Nova Scotia
and then upstream on the St. Lawrence River/Seaway to the Welland Canal!
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On 4/8/2016 11:30 AM, allen wrote:
Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable
route from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
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Thanks to everyone for the input. I am familiar with the Hudson and the
NY Canals to North Tonawanda and the trip through Erie, up the Detroit
River and on, having done it several times now.
The real issue was that I have been considering buying a large sailboat
in the Maryland and motoring it back to Canada. Seeing as the mast is
already down and items are stowed, and the distance is not great from
Maryland to New York, it would be nice not to have to put it all back up
for that short hop to New York.
Once past the Statue of Liberty, sail is of no use and motoring is
necessary for progress. In the New York canals, air draft is no issue
for a sailboat with the mast stowed, unless there is a radar or wind
generator mast, and the shallowest we saw -- as I recall -- was just as
we entered the Seneca from the east and was adequate for the sailboat we
were delivering at the time.
The real issue is rough water. Stowing a mast on deck can be awkward
and it is difficult to secure it so that it does not surge in chop.
I've seen damage done just crossing Lake Oneida to Syracuse. That lake
is shallow and can be very choppy.
If that lake can be a bit much with the mast down, the outside route up
the coast could be worse and a sheltered route with easy access to
refuge would be in order. From earlier posts here, I suspected that the
route is too shallow for the craft, but thought I'd ask, and I
appreciate the confirmation from those who have done the route. Thank you.
So, I have pretty well abandoned the idea, and either will not buy the
boat or will hire a truck. Nonetheless, I may be doing the NY Canals
once again on another boat again this May. The Hudson and canals are a
most enjoyable cruise.
So, I guess my next question is this: can anyone recommend a reasonably
priced trucker to haul a boat with a fifteen foot beam from Maryland to
Vancouver B.C.? So far the quotes have been astronomical. I gather it
is because of the beam and the need for pilot cars.
Allen
If I get it well, Thunder Bay is not your real final destination, but
Vancouver, B.C., is, or at least the West Coast.
What about the Panama Canal ? If the boat is your dream boat and a bluewater
one (I presume it is with a 7' draft), why not hiring some captain to bring
it home for you ? It will probably cheaper than trucking this big baby.
Greetings all,
Does anyone have recommendations for the most direct and navigable route
from Annapolis to Thunder Bay for a boat with seven feet draft?
Allen
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