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Randy Pickelmann

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 1:24 PM

Of course, Bob Smith and others have long been proponents of MMO. I've long
thought that MMO was nothing more than transmission fluid. The lore of MMO is
legendary. Some old-timers would like us to believe that the US military won
WWII because of MMO!
When I bought Morning Star, I followed Bob Smith's advice and religiously
added MMO at every fill up - 1 qt. Per 100 gallons. But it did make my engine
smoke excessively so eventually, I quit. Any Volvo engine owner will tell you
that he isn't looking for ways to make his engine smoke more. Perhaps I should
go back to occasionally adding MMO. It's just that I've grown accustom to not
having to clean the transom daily!
Regards,
Randy Pickelmann
Morning Star
Cruising north in the ICW, above St. Augustine

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Of course, Bob Smith and others have long been proponents of MMO. I've long thought that MMO was nothing more than transmission fluid. The lore of MMO is legendary. Some old-timers would like us to believe that the US military won WWII because of MMO! When I bought Morning Star, I followed Bob Smith's advice and religiously added MMO at every fill up - 1 qt. Per 100 gallons. But it did make my engine smoke excessively so eventually, I quit. Any Volvo engine owner will tell you that he isn't looking for ways to make his engine smoke more. Perhaps I should go back to occasionally adding MMO. It's just that I've grown accustom to not having to clean the transom daily! Regards, Randy Pickelmann Morning Star Cruising north in the ICW, above St. Augustine Sent from my iPad

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Richard Cook

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 3:43 PM

FWIW,

I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula in my Cummins truck and
Volvo boat for 12 years. It is quite noticeable how much it reduces
smoke on startup of the truck, and reduces the diesel clatter and makes
it run smoother - particularly when it's cold. I've never had fuel
gelling problems, even though the truck always sits outside, often in 10
degrees or lower.

I have no direct evidence of some of the other benefits it is supposed
to provide, like better lubricity, but I have tested with and without
SPF in the truck's tank, and I estimate it improves towing mileage by
something like 1/2 mpg (5%) - well worth its relatively minor cost (a
case of six half-gallon jugs is some $90).

Given what I can see with the truck, I assume it's doing some good for
the boat as well. The Cummins runs like a top, better than when it was
new, with 140K tough miles on it. The Volvo has 4300 hours on it so far.

Richard Cook
New Moon (Bounty 257, Volvo KAD44P)

FWIW, I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula in my Cummins truck and Volvo boat for 12 years. It is quite noticeable how much it reduces smoke on startup of the truck, and reduces the diesel clatter and makes it run smoother - particularly when it's cold. I've never had fuel gelling problems, even though the truck always sits outside, often in 10 degrees or lower. I have no direct evidence of some of the other benefits it is supposed to provide, like better lubricity, but I have tested with and without SPF in the truck's tank, and I estimate it improves towing mileage by something like 1/2 mpg (5%) - well worth its relatively minor cost (a case of six half-gallon jugs is some $90). Given what I can see with the truck, I assume it's doing some good for the boat as well. The Cummins runs like a top, better than when it was new, with 140K tough miles on it. The Volvo has 4300 hours on it so far. Richard Cook New Moon (Bounty 257, Volvo KAD44P)

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Mike Shea

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 4:38 PM

Again FWIW I have been told by a dealer that sells the Stanadyne Performance and Lubricity
additives, that the Lubricity formula has 5 times more lubricity additive than does the performance
formula.
Mike

FWIW,

I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula in my Cummins truck and
Volvo boat for 12 years. It is quite noticeable how much it reduces
smoke on startup of the truck, and reduces the diesel clatter and makes
it run smoother - particularly when it's cold. I've never had fuel
gelling problems, even though the truck always sits outside, often in 10
degrees or lower.

Richard Cook
New Moon (Bounty 257, Volvo KAD44P)

Again FWIW I have been told by a dealer that sells the Stanadyne Performance and Lubricity additives, that the Lubricity formula has 5 times more lubricity additive than does the performance formula. Mike FWIW, I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula in my Cummins truck and Volvo boat for 12 years. It is quite noticeable how much it reduces smoke on startup of the truck, and reduces the diesel clatter and makes it run smoother - particularly when it's cold. I've never had fuel gelling problems, even though the truck always sits outside, often in 10 degrees or lower. Richard Cook New Moon (Bounty 257, Volvo KAD44P) _______________________________________________

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Peter Hayden

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 11:15 PM

It's fascinating that the less proof there is of something, the more firmly
people believe it. Use of brand X oil, or some additive potion, followed by
an engine that keeps on running proves absolutely nothing. Yet people will
argue to their graves that it's the oil/additive that's keeping the engine
running.

It's fascinating that the less proof there is of something, the more firmly people believe it. Use of brand X oil, or some additive potion, followed by an engine that keeps on running proves absolutely nothing. Yet people will argue to their graves that it's the oil/additive that's keeping the engine running.

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LAL

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 6:50 AM

I have a new Iveco, 180 hp, class "d" (24/7 continuous running) rated
engine.
Over here, I have to use "euro" diesel fuel, which is MAX 50 ppm (I
think) (really 0.05% is the number I know) sulfur fuel.
Since this discussion started, I asked my engine supplier what he
thinks about this.
His comment, direct from the mouth of the engineers in Italy (not
quoted, but paraphrased since the conversation lasted some 20 minutes)
We have designed the engine so that using euro diesel or even ultra-
euro diesel (had not heard of that but that is 0.005%) will not harm
the engine nor cause it to warrant a overhaul / rebuild before 20000
hours of operation provided all regular and scheduled maintenance is
performed.
BUT, (he went on) using no more than 5% MAX biodiesel may extend need
to conduct an overhaul rebuild of the engine to the point where
replacement could be economically justified, provided that all
scheduled maintenance is performed, oil changes are performed
regularly, or a regimented oil analysis program is implemented with
the results reviewed with the dealer annually...

I asked if any particular bio-diesel fuel is preferred. The engineer
said: That depends on the wife. Whatever smells best to her.

I asked why can I not use more than 5%?

In theory, he said I could, but they have not certified the engine to
Tier II emissions standards with more than 5%, they are not 100% sure
that all of the internal parts that should make it to the 20000 hour
overhaul timeframe will, and lastly, the cost to fill my tank would
probably blow my budget.

But if I did, people on boats around me may get hungry for french
fries...

Go figure....
Lee
Izmir

Begin forwarded message:

From: Peter Hayden peter@twistedtree.com
Date: April 27, 2011 02:15:34 GMT+03:00
To: Trawler List trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Diesel lubricity

It's fascinating that the less proof there is of something, the more
firmly
people believe it....

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I have a new Iveco, 180 hp, class "d" (24/7 continuous running) rated engine. Over here, I have to use "euro" diesel fuel, which is MAX 50 ppm (I think) (really 0.05% is the number I know) sulfur fuel. Since this discussion started, I asked my engine supplier what he thinks about this. His comment, direct from the mouth of the engineers in Italy (not quoted, but paraphrased since the conversation lasted some 20 minutes) We have designed the engine so that using euro diesel or even ultra- euro diesel (had not heard of that but that is 0.005%) will not harm the engine nor cause it to warrant a overhaul / rebuild before 20000 hours of operation provided all regular and scheduled maintenance is performed. BUT, (he went on) using no more than 5% MAX biodiesel may extend need to conduct an overhaul rebuild of the engine to the point where replacement could be economically justified, provided that all scheduled maintenance is performed, oil changes are performed regularly, or a regimented oil analysis program is implemented with the results reviewed with the dealer annually... I asked if any particular bio-diesel fuel is preferred. The engineer said: That depends on the wife. Whatever smells best to her. I asked why can I not use more than 5%? In theory, he said I could, but they have not certified the engine to Tier II emissions standards with more than 5%, they are not 100% sure that all of the internal parts that should make it to the 20000 hour overhaul timeframe will, and lastly, the cost to fill my tank would probably blow my budget. But if I did, people on boats around me may get hungry for french fries... Go figure.... Lee Izmir Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Hayden <peter@twistedtree.com> Date: April 27, 2011 02:15:34 GMT+03:00 To: Trawler List <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: T&T: Diesel lubricity It's fascinating that the less proof there is of something, the more firmly people believe it.... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

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