shionning vt950

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bill benson
Sat, Jan 9, 2010 9:42 PM

shionning sell a powercat "prowler vt 950. /check out 'shionning designs' .
Its fast, shallow draft, and I think more fuel efficient then the 34 pdq.
[henry, owner of sno-dog, I would like to hear your thoughts on this model.]
It comes in a kit that sells for $175,000.00. 3000 man hours to build. [does
that mean $50 per hour, so an extra $150,000 to build it?] Anybody out there
who has any thoughts good or bad, I would be interested to hear them. The
seles yacht has even better fuel economy but it is a smaller craft. Is
Australia a step up on power multihulls then over here?

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All hands--

Join me in welcoming Robert Franklin to the List.

Gladly Georgs. Welcome Robert and Patty!

My wife Patty and I live in Lynchburg, Virginia and are certain to
be the most inexperienced and least knowledgeable members of the
list. We have never owned a motor boat.

<snip> ...in a former life I was a

chemical engineer and still do some consulting...

I challenge the least knowledgeable part. You will be surprised at how
useful your chemical and engineering experiences will be on a list where
fuels, lubricants, paints, building materials (particularly composites
like FRP), etc. are common topics. Most of what we all learned about
how to live on land extends onto the water as well: finance, cooking,
relationships, insurance, health care, etc. etc. etc..

<snip> Since we are both in our 50's and are coming to boating late

in life

we will probably only buy one boat so we want to make the most
informed decision possible.

You certainly can do that, but instead of a single momentous decision on
which so much rides please consider that real experience is the only way
to develop and understand your own capabilities and preferences. The
only way to learn to ride a bike is with both feet on the pedals and a
couple of Band-Aids in your pocket. I strongly suggest instead that you
get a progression of boats from the smaller, simpler and cheaper working
your way toward your ultimate goal of a coastal cruising power
catamaran. And don't fixate on just one single unchanging final goal
here, feel free to re-evaluate as you go. You will need plenty of help
and advice along the way, and these lists are great places to find it.
You will clearly find that there is seldom a single choice that everyone
would make the same. 'Different boats for different folks!' Get lots
of different advice, evaluate it with your own experience and keep
moving ahead. And get out on the water as soon as you possibly can.
Charter crewed boats at first, then take bareboat chartering classes
together. Charter boats you are attracted to. You couldn't possibly
have too much real, personal, on the water experience to inform your
important choices. That way you can get the mistakes over with earlier
in the game and minimize the risk of finding that single huge decision
was somehow wrong.

I also suggest paper magazines, two of my favorite about the cruising
lifestyle are Latitudes and Attitudes and Cruising World. Actually
you can score Lats and Ats online for free I'm told, and I kinda recall
that CW is available online as well, although I think a subscription
price is involved there. Save a tree. Both mag.s extensively cover
long term cruising and liveaboard lifestyle. Recently there are a spate
of new blogs about everything, including those from cruisers of every
sort. Check them out.

So feel free to meld our opinions and experiences to form and guide your
own, and again, welcome,

Gary Bell, sometimes known as that old drone Mister Science.



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shionning sell a powercat "prowler vt 950. /check out 'shionning designs' . Its fast, shallow draft, and I think more fuel efficient then the 34 pdq. [henry, owner of sno-dog, I would like to hear your thoughts on this model.] It comes in a kit that sells for $175,000.00. 3000 man hours to build. [does that mean $50 per hour, so an extra $150,000 to build it?] Anybody out there who has any thoughts good or bad, I would be interested to hear them. The seles yacht has even better fuel economy but it is a smaller craft. Is Australia a step up on power multihulls then over here? > From: power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com > Subject: Power-Catamaran Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:00:00 -0500 > > Send Power-Catamaran mailing list submissions to > power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > power-catamaran-owner@lists.samurai.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Power-Catamaran digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Welcome aboard (Gary Bell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:39:59 -0800 > From: Gary Bell <tulgey@earthlink.net> > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com > Subject: [PCW] Welcome aboard > Message-ID: <4B44A0BF.6030606@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > All hands-- > > > > > > Join me in welcoming Robert Franklin to the List. > > > Gladly Georgs. Welcome Robert and Patty! > > > > > > >> > > My wife Patty and I live in Lynchburg, Virginia and are certain to > >> > > be the most inexperienced and least knowledgeable members of the > >> > > list. We have never owned a motor boat. > >> > > > > > > > >> <snip> ...in a former life I was a > >> > > chemical engineer and still do some consulting... > I challenge the least knowledgeable part. You will be surprised at how > useful your chemical and engineering experiences will be on a list where > fuels, lubricants, paints, building materials (particularly composites > like FRP), etc. are common topics. Most of what we all learned about > how to live on land extends onto the water as well: finance, cooking, > relationships, insurance, health care, etc. etc. etc.. > > > > > > > > > >> > > <snip> Since we are both in our 50's and are coming to boating late in life > >> > > we will probably only buy one boat so we want to make the most > >> > > informed decision possible. > >> > You certainly can do that, but instead of a single momentous decision on > which so much rides please consider that real experience is the only way > to develop and understand your own capabilities and preferences. The > only way to learn to ride a bike is with both feet on the pedals and a > couple of Band-Aids in your pocket. I strongly suggest instead that you > get a progression of boats from the smaller, simpler and cheaper working > your way toward your ultimate goal of a coastal cruising power > catamaran. And don't fixate on just one single unchanging final goal > here, feel free to re-evaluate as you go. You will need plenty of help > and advice along the way, and these lists are great places to find it. > You will clearly find that there is seldom a single choice that everyone > would make the same. 'Different boats for different folks!' Get lots > of different advice, evaluate it with your own experience and keep > moving ahead. And get out on the water as soon as you possibly can. > Charter crewed boats at first, then take bareboat chartering classes > together. Charter boats you are attracted to. You couldn't possibly > have too much real, personal, on the water experience to inform your > important choices. That way you can get the mistakes over with earlier > in the game and minimize the risk of finding that single huge decision > was somehow wrong. > > I also suggest paper magazines, two of my favorite about the cruising > lifestyle are _Latitudes and Attitudes_ and _Cruising World_. Actually > you can score Lats and Ats online for free I'm told, and I kinda recall > that CW is available online as well, although I think a subscription > price is involved there. Save a tree. Both mag.s extensively cover > long term cruising and liveaboard lifestyle. Recently there are a spate > of new blogs about everything, including those from cruisers of every > sort. Check them out. > > So feel free to meld our opinions and experiences to form and guide your > own, and again, welcome, > > Gary Bell, sometimes known as that old drone Mister Science. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List > > End of Power-Catamaran Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > ********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Reinvent how you stay in touch with the new Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9706116
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Henry Clews
Sun, Jan 10, 2010 2:47 AM

Hi Bill,

I'm not really familiar with this design, although I know Schionning
has an excellent reputation.
I was able to find some info at:
<www.schionningdesigns.com.au/login/pages/images/StudyPlanProwler950VT.pdf

but I couldn't find a very coherent website describing the Prowler 950
VT.

From what I can see, it's an outboard-powered, planing design.  But I
don't see any performance
data, so it's hard to make any judgement on economy.

Unless you really like the 950 VT layout, and prefer outboard power,
I'd check out the used
PDQ market, there's a bunch of them out there starting in the low $200
K's.  If you're in Florida,
drop by the PDQ Rendezvous & Open House in Stuart on January 23-24.
<www.rhumblineyachtsales.com/open_house.html>
I'll be there.

Henry Clews
www.snodoglog.com

On Jan 9, 2010, at 4:42 PM, bill benson wrote:

shionning sell a powercat "prowler vt 950. /check out 'shionning
designs' .
Its fast, shallow draft, and I think more fuel efficient then the 34
pdq.
[henry, owner of sno-dog, I would like to hear your thoughts on this
model.]
It comes in a kit that sells for $175,000.00. 3000 man hours to
build. [does
that mean $50 per hour, so an extra $150,000 to build it?] Anybody
out there
who has any thoughts good or bad, I would be interested to hear
them. The
seles yacht has even better fuel economy but it is a smaller craft. Is
Australia a step up on power multihulls then over here?

Hi Bill, I'm not really familiar with this design, although I know Schionning has an excellent reputation. I was able to find some info at: <www.schionningdesigns.com.au/login/pages/images/StudyPlanProwler950VT.pdf > but I couldn't find a very coherent website describing the Prowler 950 VT. From what I can see, it's an outboard-powered, planing design. But I don't see any performance data, so it's hard to make any judgement on economy. Unless you really like the 950 VT layout, and prefer outboard power, I'd check out the used PDQ market, there's a bunch of them out there starting in the low $200 K's. If you're in Florida, drop by the PDQ Rendezvous & Open House in Stuart on January 23-24. <www.rhumblineyachtsales.com/open_house.html> I'll be there. Henry Clews www.snodoglog.com On Jan 9, 2010, at 4:42 PM, bill benson wrote: > shionning sell a powercat "prowler vt 950. /check out 'shionning > designs' . > Its fast, shallow draft, and I think more fuel efficient then the 34 > pdq. > [henry, owner of sno-dog, I would like to hear your thoughts on this > model.] > It comes in a kit that sells for $175,000.00. 3000 man hours to > build. [does > that mean $50 per hour, so an extra $150,000 to build it?] Anybody > out there > who has any thoughts good or bad, I would be interested to hear > them. The > seles yacht has even better fuel economy but it is a smaller craft. Is > Australia a step up on power multihulls then over here?