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Jim Quince

Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:19 PM

I would agree with those that have not experienced bad situations when cruising. It would be interesting to hear some more of the bad or risky situations that are not naturally occurring or self inflicted ( like weather and groundings )

Our experiences have been good. We anchor a lot, often alone. I wonder if its safer or riskier to do so. We also use free resources.... Like docks and walls, that tend to be remote or places frequented by "non boaters" shall I say. Probably riskier than marinas.

I can sum up....

Illinois River Wall.....the one time I chained up the boat, due to some people nearby and stories heard about untying lines at night.... Had no problem.

Tennessee River ... Had our floating kayaks stolen by cutting a line off the boat. found them nearby the next morning. Looked like the line was fouled on a prop and they were abandoned in a cove. Dingy line cut into but not severed.

TennTom. ... Had a snake on our swim platform. A line was on the platform and the snake seemed to like it!

SW Florida ... Had our electronics (2 chartplotters) stolen off the boat while in storage on the hard.

Having some wasp/hornet sprays might make sense. Having the small pepper sprays is interesting. You can get them on Amazon for less than $10. And they could have other uses for natural pests.....rats, raccoons, stray dogs, etc. Now Amazon also has stun guns for around $10! Seems like another alternative for the self defense arsenal if you're so inclined.

One other item is a motion alarm. Battery operated, you can place it on your deck or mount it too. Audible. Relatively cheap option.

People also mention cameras...take pictures of threats.
Cell phones to call for help too?

I think some of the worst stories were from the big Bahamian Cities where boats were boarded.
We're they at anchor? what were the negative results? Ive forgotten. ....after that, it seems like its pranks like kids untying your lines ( not that that could not have very bad results )

We've not felt threatened by other boaters, and rarely feel threatened by people on the hard.

Enjoy Every Sandwich!

I would agree with those that have not experienced bad situations when cruising. It would be interesting to hear some more of the bad or risky situations that are not naturally occurring or self inflicted ( like weather and groundings ) Our experiences have been good. We anchor a lot, often alone. I wonder if its safer or riskier to do so. We also use free resources.... Like docks and walls, that tend to be remote or places frequented by "non boaters" shall I say. Probably riskier than marinas. I can sum up.... Illinois River Wall.....the one time I chained up the boat, due to some people nearby and stories heard about untying lines at night.... Had no problem. Tennessee River ... Had our floating kayaks stolen by cutting a line off the boat. found them nearby the next morning. Looked like the line was fouled on a prop and they were abandoned in a cove. Dingy line cut into but not severed. TennTom. ... Had a snake on our swim platform. A line was on the platform and the snake seemed to like it! SW Florida ... Had our electronics (2 chartplotters) stolen off the boat while in storage on the hard. Having some wasp/hornet sprays might make sense. Having the small pepper sprays is interesting. You can get them on Amazon for less than $10. And they could have other uses for natural pests.....rats, raccoons, stray dogs, etc. Now Amazon also has stun guns for around $10! Seems like another alternative for the self defense arsenal if you're so inclined. One other item is a motion alarm. Battery operated, you can place it on your deck or mount it too. Audible. Relatively cheap option. People also mention cameras...take pictures of threats. Cell phones to call for help too? I think some of the worst stories were from the big Bahamian Cities where boats were boarded. We're they at anchor? what were the negative results? Ive forgotten. ....after that, it seems like its pranks like kids untying your lines ( not that that could not have very bad results ) We've not felt threatened by other boaters, and rarely feel threatened by people on the hard. Enjoy Every Sandwich!

BD

Bob DeGroot

Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:39 PM

There have been a lot of good ideas generated by this topic. It would be a
really good idea to make your own comprehensive list and then separate them
into lethal and non-lethal, legal and non-legal (in some states, provinces),
automatically implemented versus you doing it when you're really shaking,
expensive versus cheap.

Personally I like the ideas where defensive items occur naturally and raise
no eyebrows such as exceedingly bright lights, very loud horns or sirens,
electronic megaphone, fire extinguishers, flare guns (extreme cases),
bicycle lock cables, a couple rubber mats with the long tacks, web-cams in
obvious places, and so on. Just know how to use them.

We had no incidents in the Bahamas, even when we tried to get someone to
heist our dinghy. They took one look at it and walk away. Oh, yeah. Don't
put your boat name on your tender. When they see it ashore, they know your
boat is empty.

Keep in mind that life threatening problems on the water are very infrequent
and that with a little forethought and preparation you can make it extremely
difficult for the bad guys to take advantage of you.

Bob DeGroot, M.Ed., DCH
Sales Training International
(281) 367-5599 (800) 551-7355 (713) 876-8787 (Cell)
www.SalesHelp.com
www.BobDeGroot.com

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I would agree with those that have not experienced bad situations when
cruising. It would be interesting to hear some more of the bad or risky
situations that are not naturally occurring or self inflicted ( like weather
and groundings )

Our experiences have been good. We anchor a lot, often alone. I wonder if
its safer or riskier to do so. We also use free resources.... Like docks
and walls, that tend to be remote or places frequented by "non boaters"
shall I say. Probably riskier than marinas.

I can sum up....

Illinois River Wall.....the one time I chained up the boat, due to some
people nearby and stories heard about untying lines at night.... Had no
problem.

Tennessee River ... Had our floating kayaks stolen by cutting a line off the
boat. found them nearby the next morning. Looked like the line was fouled
on a prop and they were abandoned in a cove. Dingy line cut into but not
severed.

TennTom. ... Had a snake on our swim platform. A line was on the platform
and the snake seemed to like it!

SW Florida ... Had our electronics (2 chartplotters) stolen off the boat
while in storage on the hard.

Having some wasp/hornet sprays might make sense. Having the small pepper
sprays is interesting. You can get them on Amazon for less than $10. And
they could have other uses for natural pests.....rats, raccoons, stray dogs,
etc. Now Amazon also has stun guns for around $10! Seems like another
alternative for the self defense arsenal if you're so inclined.

One other item is a motion alarm. Battery operated, you can place it on
your deck or mount it too. Audible. Relatively cheap option.

People also mention cameras...take pictures of threats.
Cell phones to call for help too?

I think some of the worst stories were from the big Bahamian Cities where
boats were boarded.
We're they at anchor? what were the negative results? Ive forgotten.
....after that, it seems like its pranks like kids untying your lines ( not
that that could not have very bad results )

We've not felt threatened by other boaters, and rarely feel threatened by
people on the hard.

Enjoy Every Sandwich!

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There have been a lot of good ideas generated by this topic. It would be a really good idea to make your own comprehensive list and then separate them into lethal and non-lethal, legal and non-legal (in some states, provinces), automatically implemented versus you doing it when you're really shaking, expensive versus cheap. Personally I like the ideas where defensive items occur naturally and raise no eyebrows such as exceedingly bright lights, very loud horns or sirens, electronic megaphone, fire extinguishers, flare guns (extreme cases), bicycle lock cables, a couple rubber mats with the long tacks, web-cams in obvious places, and so on. Just know how to use them. We had no incidents in the Bahamas, even when we tried to get someone to heist our dinghy. They took one look at it and walk away. Oh, yeah. Don't put your boat name on your tender. When they see it ashore, they know your boat is empty. Keep in mind that life threatening problems on the water are very infrequent and that with a little forethought and preparation you can make it extremely difficult for the bad guys to take advantage of you. Bob DeGroot, M.Ed., DCH Sales Training International (281) 367-5599 (800) 551-7355 (713) 876-8787 (Cell) www.SalesHelp.com www.BobDeGroot.com -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Jim Quince Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:20 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: GL: Safety, security..... I would agree with those that have not experienced bad situations when cruising. It would be interesting to hear some more of the bad or risky situations that are not naturally occurring or self inflicted ( like weather and groundings ) Our experiences have been good. We anchor a lot, often alone. I wonder if its safer or riskier to do so. We also use free resources.... Like docks and walls, that tend to be remote or places frequented by "non boaters" shall I say. Probably riskier than marinas. I can sum up.... Illinois River Wall.....the one time I chained up the boat, due to some people nearby and stories heard about untying lines at night.... Had no problem. Tennessee River ... Had our floating kayaks stolen by cutting a line off the boat. found them nearby the next morning. Looked like the line was fouled on a prop and they were abandoned in a cove. Dingy line cut into but not severed. TennTom. ... Had a snake on our swim platform. A line was on the platform and the snake seemed to like it! SW Florida ... Had our electronics (2 chartplotters) stolen off the boat while in storage on the hard. Having some wasp/hornet sprays might make sense. Having the small pepper sprays is interesting. You can get them on Amazon for less than $10. And they could have other uses for natural pests.....rats, raccoons, stray dogs, etc. Now Amazon also has stun guns for around $10! Seems like another alternative for the self defense arsenal if you're so inclined. One other item is a motion alarm. Battery operated, you can place it on your deck or mount it too. Audible. Relatively cheap option. People also mention cameras...take pictures of threats. Cell phones to call for help too? I think some of the worst stories were from the big Bahamian Cities where boats were boarded. We're they at anchor? what were the negative results? Ive forgotten. ....after that, it seems like its pranks like kids untying your lines ( not that that could not have very bad results ) We've not felt threatened by other boaters, and rarely feel threatened by people on the hard. Enjoy Every Sandwich! _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

JO

jonathan olenick

Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:46 PM

We lock and cable our boat whenever possible. A short length of chain is used round solid cleats. Jon.

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