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T
temirkarakurum@gmail.com
Thu, Apr 24, 2025 8:23 PM

I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is the suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak power?

If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1% (30dB), thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I am safe? Or is there still a chance of damaging the SDR?

Best,
T

I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is the suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak power?\ \ If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1% (30dB), thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I am safe? Or is there still a chance of damaging the SDR?\ \ Best,\ T
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Anil Gurses
Thu, Apr 24, 2025 8:29 PM

Hi,

It's the peak power input, not average. Anything beyond that level might
damage the RF chain.

A.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:25 PM temirkarakurum@gmail.com wrote:

I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is the
suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak power?

If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1% (30dB),
thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I am safe? Or is
there still a chance of damaging the SDR?

Best,
T


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Hi, It's the peak power input, not average. Anything beyond that level might damage the RF chain. A. On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:25 PM <temirkarakurum@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is the > suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak power? > > If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1% (30dB), > thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I am safe? Or is > there still a chance of damaging the SDR? > > Best, > T > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list -- usrp-users@lists.ettus.com > To unsubscribe send an email to usrp-users-leave@lists.ettus.com >
MD
Marcus D. Leech
Thu, Apr 24, 2025 8:36 PM

On 24/04/2025 16:29, Anil Gurses via USRP-users wrote:

Hi,

It's the peak power input, not average. Anything beyond that level
might damage the RF chain.

A.

THIS.

Most of the Ettus/NI radios are designed for use in an "over the air"
scenario, where signal levels are expected to be low,
  and sensitivity is a requirement.  This is very different from (for
example) a laboratory spectrum analyzer or radio
  protocol analyszer.

In the world of "over the air" signals of -60dBm are actually quite
strong, and it's typically the case that such radios
  have a narrow-band MDS of -130 to -140dBm.   So, in that context,
anything even approaching -10dBm is
  a very very strong signal, and small-signal, low-noise RF gain stages
are generally unhappy with signals that your
  laboratory spectrum analyzer would be perfectly happy with.   The
"unhappiness" first starts to manifest as
  non-linearity, and then moves on to device destruction.  The gate
regions in the low-noise transistors are only a
  few molecules thick, and in larger electric fields internally, they
just kind of evaporate.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:25 PM temirkarakurum@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is
 the suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak
 power?

 If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1%
 (30dB), thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I
 am safe? Or is there still a chance of damaging the SDR?

 Best,
 T

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On 24/04/2025 16:29, Anil Gurses via USRP-users wrote: > Hi, > > It's the peak power input, not average. Anything beyond that level > might damage the RF chain. > > A. THIS. Most of the Ettus/NI radios are designed for use in an "over the air" scenario, where signal levels are expected to be low,   and sensitivity is a requirement.  This is very different from (for example) a laboratory spectrum analyzer or radio   protocol analyszer. In the world of "over the air" signals of -60dBm are actually quite strong, and it's typically the case that such radios   have a narrow-band MDS of -130 to -140dBm.   So, in that context, anything even approaching -10dBm is   a very very strong signal, and small-signal, low-noise RF gain stages are generally unhappy with signals that your   laboratory spectrum analyzer would be perfectly happy with.   The "unhappiness" first starts to manifest as   non-linearity, and then moves on to device destruction.  The gate regions in the low-noise transistors are only a   few molecules thick, and in larger electric fields internally, they just kind of evaporate. > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:25 PM <temirkarakurum@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a quick question regarding the max input power. -15 dBm is > the suggested max power rating for B210. Is this average or peak > power? > > If I have a +10dBm peak power signal with a duty cycle of 0.1% > (30dB), thus an average power of -20 dBm, would this mean that I > am safe? Or is there still a chance of damaging the SDR? > > Best, > T > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list -- usrp-users@lists.ettus.com > To unsubscribe send an email to usrp-users-leave@lists.ettus.com > > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list --usrp-users@lists.ettus.com > To unsubscribe send an email tousrp-users-leave@lists.ettus.com
T
temirkarakurum@gmail.com
Fri, Apr 25, 2025 7:02 PM

NI mentions:

”The maximum input power specification of -15 dBm is based off a continuous acquisition, meaning that -15 dBm is the max average power that the RF frontend should receive. It is always recommended to keep the input signal power level below specification to avoid damaging the device. 

The maximum always-safe peak input power is 0 dBm, across all frequencies.“

Is not this different from what you are suggesting here?


[https://knowledge.ni.com/KnowledgeArticleDetails?id=kA03q000001DqecCAC&l=en-US]

NI mentions:\ \ ”The maximum input power specification of -15 dBm is based off a continuous acquisition, meaning that -15 dBm is the max average power that the RF frontend should receive. **It is always recommended to keep the input signal power level below specification to avoid damaging the device.**  The maximum always-safe peak input power is 0 dBm, across all frequencies.“\ \ Is not this different from what you are suggesting here?\ \ \ \[https://knowledge.ni.com/KnowledgeArticleDetails?id=kA03q000001DqecCAC&l=en-US\]