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Christian Capelle
Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:55 PM
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Subject: equivalent
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what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
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Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Subject: equivalent
To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
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Henry Clews
Fri, Sep 25, 2009 10:16 PM
It would be a lot more expensive!
But, it might allow you to travel a bit faster.
Henry
www.snodoglog.com
On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Christian Capelle wrote:
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
It would be a lot more expensive!
But, it might allow you to travel a bit faster.
Henry
www.snodoglog.com
On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Christian Capelle wrote:
> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
> comfort to
> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>
> Thanks for your input.
> Best Regards
> Christian
M
Mark
Fri, Sep 25, 2009 11:43 PM
"equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I can't comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of the cats from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing designs, so won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine, Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler, Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There are a few long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they are all custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be able to go custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert Deering's recent launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the required materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for Nordhavn, Dave Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a sailing cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might consider a sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range booster for long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor an awful lot.
Mark
Marina del Rey, CA
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what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
"equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I can't comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of the cats from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing designs, so won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine, Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler, Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There are a few long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they are all custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be able to go custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert Deering's recent launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the required materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for Nordhavn, Dave Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a sailing cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might consider a sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range booster for long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor an awful lot.
Mark
Marina del Rey, CA
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a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
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Bill Carlson, Sr.
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 1:05 PM
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it is
the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
"equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I
can't comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range.
Most of the cats from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or
tweaks of sailing designs, so won't have the range either, Lagoon
43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine, Alliaura (Privilege)
Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler, Aventure, etc.
The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you stick to
7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much
bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There
are a few long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe
they are all custom and much larger. Depending on what you want,
you might be able to go custom for the price of a new N43, I'm
thinking of Robert Deering's recent launch. It's certainly not a
LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the
required materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators
for Nordhavn, Dave Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years
circumnavigating on a sailing cat, which he calls the perfect
motorsailer. So you might consider a sailing cat and think of it as
a trawler with sails as a range booster for long passages. One of
the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor an awful lot.
Mark
Marina del Rey, CA
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Subject: equivalent
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what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it is
the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
> "equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
> production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I
> can't comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range.
> Most of the cats from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or
> tweaks of sailing designs, so won't have the range either, Lagoon
> 43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine, Alliaura (Privilege)
> Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler, Aventure, etc.
> The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you stick to
> 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much
> bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There
> are a few long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe
> they are all custom and much larger. Depending on what you want,
> you might be able to go custom for the price of a new N43, I'm
> thinking of Robert Deering's recent launch. It's certainly not a
> LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
> hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the
> required materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators
> for Nordhavn, Dave Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years
> circumnavigating on a sailing cat, which he calls the perfect
> motorsailer. So you might consider a sailing cat and think of it as
> a trawler with sails as a range booster for long passages. One of
> the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor an awful lot.
>
> Mark
> Marina del Rey, CA
>
>
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> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
> Subject: equivalent
> To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
>
>
> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
> comfort to
> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>
> Thanks for your input.
> Best Regards
> Christian
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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 2:08 PM
Bill and others--
The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
of 795,000 USD.
I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
larger, more spacious yachts.
http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
another thing altogether.
But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
--Georgs
PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
discussion.
On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Bill and others--
The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
of 795,000 USD.
I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
larger, more spacious yachts.
http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
another thing altogether.
But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
--Georgs
PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
discussion.
On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
> Crosswater
> http://crosswatercats.com/
> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
> is the best all-around boat for the $$.
>
> Bill Carlson
> Ocean City MD
>
>>
>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
>> comfort to
>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>> Best Regards
>> Christian
WR
WARD RINEHART
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 3:07 PM
Try Endeavourcats in Clearwater Florida. They build a high quality boat but
with les fancy trim. Their 44 and their 48 are truely excellent boats.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. bcarlson@erols.comwrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it is the
best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
"equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I can't
comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of the cats
from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing designs, so
won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine,
Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler,
Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you
stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much
bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There are a few
long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they are all
custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be able to go
custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert Deering's recent
launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the required
materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for Nordhavn, Dave
Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a sailing
cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might consider a
sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range booster for
long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor
an awful lot.
Mark
Marina del Rey, CA
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To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Fri, September 25, 2009 2:55:52 PM
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From: Christian Capelle ccapelle@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Subject: equivalent
To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, comfort
to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
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Try Endeavourcats in Clearwater Florida. They build a high quality boat but
with les fancy trim. Their 44 and their 48 are truely excellent boats.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. <bcarlson@erols.com>wrote:
> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a Crosswater
> http://crosswatercats.com/
> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it is the
> best all-around boat for the $$.
>
> Bill Carlson
> Ocean City MD
>
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
>
> "equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
>> production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size, I can't
>> comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of the cats
>> from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing designs, so
>> won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot, Robertson/Caine,
>> Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats, Prowler,
>> Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+ if you
>> stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is probably much
>> bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There are a few
>> long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they are all
>> custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be able to go
>> custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert Deering's recent
>> launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can tweak the
>> hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the required
>> materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for Nordhavn, Dave
>> Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a sailing
>> cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might consider a
>> sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range booster for
>> long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that they motor
>> an awful lot.
>>
>> Mark
>> Marina del Rey, CA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Christian Capelle <ccapelle@gmail.com>
>> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
>> Sent: Fri, September 25, 2009 2:55:52 PM
>> Subject: [PCW] Fwd: equivalent
>>
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>> From: Christian Capelle <ccapelle@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
>> Subject: equivalent
>> To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
>>
>>
>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, comfort
>> to
>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>> Best Regards
>> Christian
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>>
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CC
Christian Capelle
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 4:10 PM
You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea
and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40
would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of a
catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn.
best Regards
Christian
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs gxk@earthlink.netwrote:
Bill and others--
The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
of 795,000 USD.
I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
larger, more spacious yachts.
http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
another thing altogether.
But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
--Georgs
PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
discussion.
On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea
and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40
would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of a
catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn.
best Regards
Christian
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Bill and others--
>
> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
>
> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
>
> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
> of 795,000 USD.
>
> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
> larger, more spacious yachts.
>
> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
>
> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
> another thing altogether.
>
> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
>
> --Georgs
>
> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
> discussion.
>
>
> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
>
> > For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
> > Crosswater
> > http://crosswatercats.com/
> > The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
> > is the best all-around boat for the $$.
> >
> > Bill Carlson
> > Ocean City MD
> >
> >>
> >> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
> >> comfort to
> >> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
> >>
> >> Thanks for your input.
> >> Best Regards
> >> Christian
> _______________________________________________
> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
WR
WARD RINEHART
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 4:43 PM
I recommend you consider Endeavour cats from Clearwater Florida. Good
boats. Not necessarily fancy trim, but good quality hulls and
construction. Great designs of the 44 and 48 for live aboard
possibilities. I have sea trialed the 48 and found her to move comfortably
and with stability. Good luck.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Christian Capelle ccapelle@gmail.comwrote:
You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea
and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40
would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of
a
catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn.
best Regards
Christian
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net
Bill and others--
The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
of 795,000 USD.
I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
larger, more spacious yachts.
http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
another thing altogether.
But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
--Georgs
PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
discussion.
On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
--
WM WARDEN RINEHART
CHICAGO, IL 60657
tel: 773-272-6212
I recommend you consider Endeavour cats from Clearwater Florida. Good
boats. Not necessarily fancy trim, but good quality hulls and
construction. Great designs of the 44 and 48 for live aboard
possibilities. I have sea trialed the 48 and found her to move comfortably
and with stability. Good luck.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Christian Capelle <ccapelle@gmail.com>wrote:
> You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea
> and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40
> would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of
> a
> catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn.
>
> best Regards
> Christian
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Bill and others--
> >
> > The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
> > is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
> > completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
> >
> > http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
> >
> > Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
> > of 795,000 USD.
> >
> > I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
> > Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
> > larger, more spacious yachts.
> >
> > http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
> > http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
> >
> > Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
> > builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
> > another thing altogether.
> >
> > But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
> > crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
> >
> > --Georgs
> >
> > PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
> > discussion.
> >
> >
> > On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
> >
> > > For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
> > > Crosswater
> > > http://crosswatercats.com/
> > > The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
> > > is the best all-around boat for the $$.
> > >
> > > Bill Carlson
> > > Ocean City MD
> > >
> > >>
> > >> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
> > >> comfort to
> > >> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your input.
> > >> Best Regards
> > >> Christian
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> > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Noelle Harrott
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 10:45 PM
Well, here's another two cents worth of opinion on the equivalent topic...
Christian, you've stated that your primary cruising area will be in warm
latitudes which would eliminate one of the Nordhavn's prime attributes.
They are a "wild-weather" boat, great insulation,
heating and a protected pilothouse with good visibility. Their hullforms are
designed for formidable seakeeping. In an awful sea-state I would probably
feel most secure (and comfortable) in a Nordhavn than in a similarly sized
Powercat. The displacement difference of the two designs probably accounts
for much of that difference.
If size and cost should be equivalent as well as rang and speed then I must
agree with Mark that sailing cats are worth a look.
The Gunboat 48 is unique in that it has a fabulous inside steering station
as well as a forward cockpit. If sailing is not out of the question then the
Gunboat offers speeds around twice that of the smaller Nordhavns. Motoring
speeds should also exceed that of the monohull.By adding a backup watermaker
and converting the watertanks to fuel,
motoring range becomes very useful. The sailing capabilities only add to
the safety at sea
The build quality of these boats is very high and the space advantages will
add to boating enjoyment.
I'm sure that Rod Gibbons could weigh in with some valuable insights on the
topic.
Thank you for posing such a stimulating question on this list which has been
rather dormant of late.
Regards, Bert Harrott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Georgs Kolesnikovs" gxk@earthlink.net
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:08 AM
Subject: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent
Bill and others--
The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
of 795,000 USD.
I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
larger, more spacious yachts.
http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
another thing altogether.
But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
--Georgs
PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
discussion.
On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Well, here's another two cents worth of opinion on the equivalent topic...
Christian, you've stated that your primary cruising area will be in warm
latitudes which would eliminate one of the Nordhavn's prime attributes.
They are a "wild-weather" boat, great insulation,
heating and a protected pilothouse with good visibility. Their hullforms are
designed for formidable seakeeping. In an awful sea-state I would probably
feel most secure (and comfortable) in a Nordhavn than in a similarly sized
Powercat. The displacement difference of the two designs probably accounts
for much of that difference.
If size and cost should be equivalent as well as rang and speed then I must
agree with Mark that sailing cats are worth a look.
The Gunboat 48 is unique in that it has a fabulous inside steering station
as well as a forward cockpit. If sailing is not out of the question then the
Gunboat offers speeds around twice that of the smaller Nordhavns. Motoring
speeds should also exceed that of the monohull.By adding a backup watermaker
and converting the watertanks to fuel,
motoring range becomes very useful. The sailing capabilities only add to
the safety at sea
The build quality of these boats is very high and the space advantages will
add to boating enjoyment.
I'm sure that Rod Gibbons could weigh in with some valuable insights on the
topic.
Thank you for posing such a stimulating question on this list which has been
rather dormant of late.
Regards, Bert Harrott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Georgs Kolesnikovs" <gxk@earthlink.net>
To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:08 AM
Subject: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent
> Bill and others--
>
> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters
> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos,
> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year:
>
> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/
>
> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price
> of 795,000 USD.
>
> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind
> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are
> larger, more spacious yachts.
>
> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/
> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp
>
> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or
> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is
> another thing altogether.
>
> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean-
> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43.
>
> --Georgs
>
> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this
> discussion.
>
>
> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote:
>
>> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
>> Crosswater
>> http://crosswatercats.com/
>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
>> is the best all-around boat for the $$.
>>
>> Bill Carlson
>> Ocean City MD
>>
>>>
>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
>>> comfort to
>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>> Best Regards
>>> Christian
> _______________________________________________
> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
BC
Bill Carlson, Sr.
Sat, Sep 26, 2009 11:38 PM
Almost bought an Endeavour 48 but I didn't for 3 reasons - - they were
not efficient , I had serious doubts about their ocean capabilities,
and they are UGLY from the outside. Fit and finish were beyond reproach.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City, MD
On Sep 26, 2009, at 11:07 AM, WARD RINEHART wrote:
Try Endeavourcats in Clearwater Florida. They build a high quality
boat but
with les fancy trim. Their 44 and their 48 are truely excellent
boats.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr.
bcarlson@erols.comwrote:
For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
Crosswater
http://crosswatercats.com/
The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
is the
best all-around boat for the $$.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City MD
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
"equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size,
I can't
comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of
the cats
from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing
designs, so
won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot,
Robertson/Caine,
Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats,
Prowler,
Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+
if you
stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is
probably much
bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There
are a few
long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they
are all
custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be
able to go
custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert
Deering's recent
launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can
tweak the
hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the
required
materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for
Nordhavn, Dave
Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a
sailing
cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might
consider a
sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range
booster for
long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that
they motor
an awful lot.
Mark
Marina del Rey, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: Christian Capelle ccapelle@gmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Fri, September 25, 2009 2:55:52 PM
Subject: [PCW] Fwd: equivalent
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Christian Capelle ccapelle@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Subject: equivalent
To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
comfort
to
a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
Thanks for your input.
Best Regards
Christian
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Almost bought an Endeavour 48 but I didn't for 3 reasons - - they were
not efficient , I had serious doubts about their ocean capabilities,
and they are UGLY from the outside. Fit and finish were beyond reproach.
Bill Carlson
Ocean City, MD
On Sep 26, 2009, at 11:07 AM, WARD RINEHART wrote:
> Try Endeavourcats in Clearwater Florida. They build a high quality
> boat but
> with les fancy trim. Their 44 and their 48 are truely excellent
> boats.
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr.
> <bcarlson@erols.com>wrote:
>
>> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a
>> Crosswater
>> http://crosswatercats.com/
>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it
>> is the
>> best all-around boat for the $$.
>>
>> Bill Carlson
>> Ocean City MD
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Mark wrote:
>>
>> "equivalent" is different for different people. There are very few
>>> production long range cats. The PDQ 41 would be similar in size,
>>> I can't
>>> comment on quality, and certainly doesn't have the range. Most of
>>> the cats
>>> from larger manufacturers are semi-planing or tweaks of sailing
>>> designs, so
>>> won't have the range either, Lagoon 43/44, Fountaine Pajot,
>>> Robertson/Caine,
>>> Alliaura (Privilege) Transcat. Then there are the Aus/NZ boats,
>>> Prowler,
>>> Aventure, etc. The new Maine Cat P-47 reportedly can do 3000nm+
>>> if you
>>> stick to 7-8knots, they have a reputation for high quality, is
>>> probably much
>>> bigger then the N43. It's new, so there is much unknown. There
>>> are a few
>>> long range Malcolm Tenant designs out there, but I believe they
>>> are all
>>> custom and much larger. Depending on what you want, you might be
>>> able to go
>>> custom for the price of a new N43, I'm thinking of Robert
>>> Deering's recent
>>> launch. It's certainly not a LRC or plush Nordy, but you can
>>> tweak the
>>> hull shape, engines, props, without significantly changing the
>>> required
>>> materials or labor. Range is one the key differentiators for
>>> Nordhavn, Dave
>>> Abbot (www.maxingout.com) spent 11 years circumnavigating on a
>>> sailing
>>> cat, which he calls the perfect motorsailer. So you might
>>> consider a
>>> sailing cat and think of it as a trawler with sails as a range
>>> booster for
>>> long passages. One of the secrets of long range sailors is that
>>> they motor
>>> an awful lot.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> Marina del Rey, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Christian Capelle <ccapelle@gmail.com>
>>> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
>>> Sent: Fri, September 25, 2009 2:55:52 PM
>>> Subject: [PCW] Fwd: equivalent
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Christian Capelle <ccapelle@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM
>>> Subject: equivalent
>>> To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
>>>
>>>
>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality,
>>> comfort
>>> to
>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull.......
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>> Best Regards
>>> Christian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
>>>
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