[CITASA] the cell-less future
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and
the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't know that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out driver was pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change to another cab in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
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kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Greetings!
Cell phones may become obsolete, yet the successor to the cell phone, the
iPhone/Droid/Blackberry all purpose mobile access to the internet and
endless apps, is, in my opinion, here to stay. And, I think that it¹s going
to be only a very short time until an ordinary, single purpose ³phone²,
whether a land line, or something that requires no visible means of
connection, becomes the norm for each person. We will get a cell phone
number, much the same that we get a social security number, or a driver¹s
license numberand that number will belong to a person for life. A kind of
permanent GPS for each person. Instant contact....
I have a Droid. I was amazed, from the very first at how easy it is to be
drawn into the possibilities, especially the ability to seek and find
information, any time, any place.
I would be curious to hear from others about their aha! Moments with their
³phones², and electronic devices.
I¹m also increasingly surprised at the amount of mundane information that
people are posting to Facebookalmost a minute by minute account for a
person¹s daily life. So, is the ability to tell the world what you do an
addiction of sorts, or what exactly is it when ³we² spend time focused on
our technology and technological tools, for increasingly more time each day,
for all aspects of our life and actions.
Plus, who¹s out there realistically looking at these things.
I¹m not entirely sure what question, if a question, I¹d like to pose. I¹m
still thinking about the infinite range of what I seem to think I¹m seeing.
Joan Biddle
On 7/16/10 6:19 PM, "Earl Babbie" ebabbie@mac.com wrote:
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't know
that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out driver was
pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change to another cab
in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
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kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and the
concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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In 1993 few would have guessed cell phones would take over. In another 20 years maybe we'll all have phone implants...
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Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 5:04 pm
Subject: [CITASA] the cell-less future
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Good evening!
I think the reason that Demolition Man shows the abundance of public phones
on poles and the concomittant absence of mobile phones is that it is a
panopticon society where the location of individuals can be fully tracked so
that picking up nearby phone is enough to connect others.
I also agree cell-phone can be obsolete if we see 'calling function' only.
People here use cell-phone for watching TV (DMB;Digital Mobile
Broadcasting), Internet banking, stock trading, GPS navigation in a car (or
when they ride a bike) and as a credit card (with help of SIM card
function), MP3 player and so on.
It is becoming a mobile computer (indeed, it is with CPU and memory and
network module) with more or less calling function priority.
Best
--
Ho Young Yoon
Researcher
Institute of Social Development
Yonsei University, South Korea
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Joan I. Biddle jbiddle2@verizon.netwrote:
Greetings!
Cell phones may become obsolete, yet the successor to the cell phone, the
iPhone/Droid/Blackberry all purpose mobile access to the internet and
endless apps, is, in my opinion, here to stay. And, I think that it’s going
to be only a very short time until an ordinary, single purpose “phone”,
whether a land line, or something that requires no visible means of
connection, becomes the norm for each person. We will get a cell phone
number, much the same that we get a social security number, or a driver’s
license number—and that number will belong to a person for life. A kind of
permanent GPS for each person. Instant contact....
I have a Droid. I was amazed, from the very first at how easy it is to be
drawn into the possibilities, especially the ability to seek and find
information, any time, any place.
I would be curious to hear from others about their aha! Moments with their
“phones”, and electronic devices.
I’m also increasingly surprised at the amount of mundane information that
people are posting to Facebook—almost a minute by minute account for a
person’s daily life. So, is the ability to tell the world what you do an
addiction of sorts, or what exactly is it when “we” spend time focused on
our technology and technological tools, for increasingly more time each day,
for all aspects of our life and actions.
Plus, who’s out there realistically looking at these things.
I’m not entirely sure what question, if a question, I’d like to pose. I’m
still thinking about the infinite range of what I seem to think I’m seeing.
Joan Biddle
On 7/16/10 6:19 PM, "Earl Babbie" ebabbie@mac.com wrote:
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't
know that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out driver
was pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change to another
cab in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
Earl Babbie, Chapman Univ. Twitter: ebabbie Tel: 501-922-6418
ebabbie@mac.com Skype:earlbabbie Cel: 501-276-9545
http://www.chapman.edu/~Babbie/ http://ebabbie.net
The World Wide Web is the Mind of Humanity; the Internet, its Brain.
kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and
the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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As a civilization, we often have a difficult time visualizing the
miniaturization and transfer of tools from central places to the
individual.
One day, we will all be generating power, managing transmissions and
communication, creating materials and prints, capturing and processing
our own sounds and images, and running supercomputers - without
leaving our personal space.
Other changes will depend on larger changes in how we conceive of
society -- whether we will also all be maintaining our own information
policies, enforcing social and legal standards, overseeing built
infrastructure and initiating repairs, serving in notary and
encryption capacities, serving as independent financial bodies, and
providing physical security... all in our personal vicinity.
SJ
Joan;
Thinking in the extreme, it is perfectly plausible to
consider that the future will include each individual being assigned a
single ambient identifier (for communicating, locating, informating and
as desired, recreating). Such a means would also bear with it the
potential for exploitation, spoofing, invasion of privacy, and even
self-incrimination. My sense of it after reading others' responses is
that where cell phones have been removed from the environment, it is
only due to alternative means, sensors, etc. that may take the place of
the cell phone and that the presence of what may look to be POT (Plain
Old Telephone) is intended to offer assurances of choice whether to
elect to initiate or not to initiated an action. A choice that could be
scrutinized by others by whimsy or demand. Then there is just the
temptation to estimate that this film lacked rigorous development
standards. Thank you for the moment of muse.
Cheers, David Louden
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
[mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Joan I. Biddle
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Earl Babbie; Barry Wellman
Cc: section asa; aoir list
Subject: Re: [CITASA] the cell-less future
Greetings!
Cell phones may become obsolete, yet the successor to the cell phone,
the iPhone/Droid/Blackberry all purpose mobile access to the internet
and endless apps, is, in my opinion, here to stay. And, I think that
it's going to be only a very short time until an ordinary, single
purpose "phone", whether a land line, or something that requires no
visible means of connection, becomes the norm for each person. We will
get a cell phone number, much the same that we get a social security
number, or a driver's license number-and that number will belong to a
person for life. A kind of permanent GPS for each person. Instant
contact....
I have a Droid. I was amazed, from the very first at how easy it is to
be drawn into the possibilities, especially the ability to seek and find
information, any time, any place.
I would be curious to hear from others about their aha! Moments with
their "phones", and electronic devices.
I'm also increasingly surprised at the amount of mundane information
that people are posting to Facebook-almost a minute by minute account
for a person's daily life. So, is the ability to tell the world what you
do an addiction of sorts, or what exactly is it when "we" spend time
focused on our technology and technological tools, for increasingly more
time each day, for all aspects of our life and actions.
Plus, who's out there realistically looking at these things.
I'm not entirely sure what question, if a question, I'd like to pose.
I'm still thinking about the infinite range of what I seem to think I'm
seeing.
Joan Biddle
On 7/16/10 6:19 PM, "Earl Babbie" ebabbie@mac.com wrote:
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't
know that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out
driver was pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change
to another cab in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
Earl Babbie, Chapman Univ. Twitter: ebabbie Tel: 501-922-6418
ebabbie@mac.com Skype:earlbabbie Cel: 501-276-9545
http://www.chapman.edu/~Babbie/ http://ebabbie.net
The World Wide Web is the Mind of Humanity; the Internet, its Brain.
kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles
and the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be
2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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Very interesting conversation!
Remember...
"The technology that gives You the power to connect/communicate/organize,
also gives Them the power to watch."
Valdis Krebs
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinker.com
On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:44 AM, david.louden@L-3Com.com wrote:
Joan;
Thinking in the extreme, it is perfectly plausible to consider that the future will include each individual being assigned a single ambient identifier (for communicating, locating, informating and as desired, recreating). Such a means would also bear with it the potential for exploitation, spoofing, invasion of privacy, and even self-incrimination. My sense of it after reading others’ responses is that where cell phones have been removed from the environment, it is only due to alternative means, sensors, etc. that may take the place of the cell phone and that the presence of what may look to be POT (Plain Old Telephone) is intended to offer assurances of choice whether to elect to initiate or not to initiated an action. A choice that could be scrutinized by others by whimsy or demand. Then there is just the temptation to estimate that this film lacked rigorous development standards. Thank you for the moment of muse.
Cheers, David Louden
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Joan I. Biddle
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Earl Babbie; Barry Wellman
Cc: section asa; aoir list
Subject: Re: [CITASA] the cell-less future
Greetings!
Cell phones may become obsolete, yet the successor to the cell phone, the iPhone/Droid/Blackberry all purpose mobile access to the internet and endless apps, is, in my opinion, here to stay. And, I think that it’s going to be only a very short time until an ordinary, single purpose “phone”, whether a land line, or something that requires no visible means of connection, becomes the norm for each person. We will get a cell phone number, much the same that we get a social security number, or a driver’s license number—and that number will belong to a person for life. A kind of permanent GPS for each person. Instant contact....
I have a Droid. I was amazed, from the very first at how easy it is to be drawn into the possibilities, especially the ability to seek and find information, any time, any place.
I would be curious to hear from others about their aha! Moments with their “phones”, and electronic devices.
I’m also increasingly surprised at the amount of mundane information that people are posting to Facebook—almost a minute by minute account for a person’s daily life. So, is the ability to tell the world what you do an addiction of sorts, or what exactly is it when “we” spend time focused on our technology and technological tools, for increasingly more time each day, for all aspects of our life and actions.
Plus, who’s out there realistically looking at these things.
I’m not entirely sure what question, if a question, I’d like to pose. I’m still thinking about the infinite range of what I seem to think I’m seeing.
Joan Biddle
On 7/16/10 6:19 PM, "Earl Babbie" ebabbie@mac.com wrote:
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't know that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out driver was pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change to another cab in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
Earl Babbie, Chapman Univ. Twitter: ebabbie Tel: 501-922-6418
ebabbie@mac.com Skype:earlbabbie Cel: 501-276-9545
http://www.chapman.edu/~Babbie/ http://ebabbie.net
The World Wide Web is the Mind of Humanity; the Internet, its Brain.
kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963
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But why does my iPhone work so poorly as a telephone?
Andy
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com wrote:
Very interesting conversation!
Remember...
"The technology that gives You the power to connect/communicate/organize,
also gives Them the power to watch."
Valdis Krebs
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinker.com
On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:44 AM, david.louden@L-3Com.com wrote:
Joan;
Thinking in the extreme, it is perfectly plausible to consider that the future will include each individual being assigned a single ambient identifier (for communicating, locating, informating and as desired, recreating). Such a means would also bear with it the potential for exploitation, spoofing, invasion of privacy, and even self-incrimination. My sense of it after reading others’ responses is that where cell phones have been removed from the environment, it is only due to alternative means, sensors, etc. that may take the place of the cell phone and that the presence of what may look to be POT (Plain Old Telephone) is intended to offer assurances of choice whether to elect to initiate or not to initiated an action. A choice that could be scrutinized by others by whimsy or demand. Then there is just the temptation to estimate that this film lacked rigorous development standards. Thank you for the moment of muse.
Cheers, David Louden
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Joan I. Biddle
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Earl Babbie; Barry Wellman
Cc: section asa; aoir list
Subject: Re: [CITASA] the cell-less future
Greetings!
Cell phones may become obsolete, yet the successor to the cell phone, the iPhone/Droid/Blackberry all purpose mobile access to the internet and endless apps, is, in my opinion, here to stay. And, I think that it’s going to be only a very short time until an ordinary, single purpose “phone”, whether a land line, or something that requires no visible means of connection, becomes the norm for each person. We will get a cell phone number, much the same that we get a social security number, or a driver’s license number—and that number will belong to a person for life. A kind of permanent GPS for each person. Instant contact....
I have a Droid. I was amazed, from the very first at how easy it is to be drawn into the possibilities, especially the ability to seek and find information, any time, any place.
I would be curious to hear from others about their aha! Moments with their “phones”, and electronic devices.
I’m also increasingly surprised at the amount of mundane information that people are posting to Facebook—almost a minute by minute account for a person’s daily life. So, is the ability to tell the world what you do an addiction of sorts, or what exactly is it when “we” spend time focused on our technology and technological tools, for increasingly more time each day, for all aspects of our life and actions.
Plus, who’s out there realistically looking at these things.
I’m not entirely sure what question, if a question, I’d like to pose. I’m still thinking about the infinite range of what I seem to think I’m seeing.
Joan Biddle
On 7/16/10 6:19 PM, "Earl Babbie" ebabbie@mac.com wrote:
Who knows, Barry. Maybe cell phones are a passing fad, though they don't know that here in Shanghai. Coming in from the airport, in fact, out driver was pulled over for using his while driving, and we had to change to another cab in the middle of a busy traffic circle.
Earl
Earl Babbie, Chapman Univ. Twitter: ebabbie Tel: 501-922-6418
ebabbie@mac.com Skype:earlbabbie Cel: 501-276-9545
http://www.chapman.edu/~Babbie/ http://ebabbie.net
The World Wide Web is the Mind of Humanity; the Internet, its Brain.
kth Law of CyberSpace: We are all, as individuals, in over our heads.
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will have to do it for you.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1704, Barry Wellman wrote:
Demolition Man ran last nite, with Stallone, Snipes and Bullock.
But what got my attention was the abundance of public phones on poles and the concomittant absence of mobile phones. In what is supposed to be 2032.
Barry Wellman
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director
Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman
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Andy,
Because that is not that important anymore to most users -- including yourself [your signature line]!
Know any teenagers? They hardly talk at all anymore. Us parents forced into SMS/Texting if we want to communicate with our children. Voice now reserved for special occasions, like when I want to tell my wife some really good news. Updates and most Questions are texted.
Valdis Krebs
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On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Andrew A. Beveridge wrote:
But why does my iPhone work so poorly as a telephone?
Andy
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Valdis Krebs valdis@orgnet.com wrote:
Very interesting conversation!
Remember...
"The technology that gives You the power to connect/communicate/organize,
also gives Them the power to watch."
Valdis Krebs
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinker.com