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LTZ1000ACH and LTZ1000CH in China

L
LMZ
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:14 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user. I'd just like to reply John's mail
on Fri Aug 26 18:27:20 UTC 2011:

---------------------------- I quote --------------------------

Does anyone know if the ebay / Chinese LTZ1000 are the real thing?

E.g. 250823975393.

---------------------------- Quote end--------------------------

In short answer, they are definitely NOT REAL.

I personally have many experiences in buying LTZ1000ACH/LTZ1000CH, part for
my own use part as group buys for other Chinese volt-nuts. Here is the list
of type of LTZ1000 one can buy in China:

  1.  Brand new from authorize dealer 
    

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27161230351.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715363179144.JPG

Expensive but true.

  1.  Used
    

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271643256989.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27163828901.JPG

Original marking and short legged as dismantled from used board, cheap and
pre-aged, these are the best.

  1.  Legs extended or/and re-marked
    

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715505128556.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715471520943.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715425289325.JPG

There are many skilled workers in China who can make the extension, not only
for LTZ1k but for other IC as well. As it involves high temperature heating
while joining, it may have permanent effect on long term stability, if not
damaged. Therefore, these are not recommended even though they are genuine.

  1.  Faked
    

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715534949602.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271554111419.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715533647158.JPG

These are NOT LTZ1000 at all. The original IC must be some cheap op-amp and
later re-marked plus legs extended. I once bought 30 of those and have they
refunded afterwards.

Lymex Zhang

Hi everyone, I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user. I'd just like to reply John's mail on Fri Aug 26 18:27:20 UTC 2011: ---------------------------- I quote -------------------------- Does anyone know if the ebay / Chinese LTZ1000 are the real thing? E.g. 250823975393. ---------------------------- Quote end-------------------------- In short answer, they are definitely NOT REAL. I personally have many experiences in buying LTZ1000ACH/LTZ1000CH, part for my own use part as group buys for other Chinese volt-nuts. Here is the list of type of LTZ1000 one can buy in China: 1. Brand new from authorize dealer http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27161230351.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715363179144.JPG Expensive but true. 2. Used http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271643256989.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27163828901.JPG Original marking and short legged as dismantled from used board, cheap and pre-aged, these are the best. 3. Legs extended or/and re-marked http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715505128556.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715471520943.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715425289325.JPG There are many skilled workers in China who can make the extension, not only for LTZ1k but for other IC as well. As it involves high temperature heating while joining, it may have permanent effect on long term stability, if not damaged. Therefore, these are not recommended even though they are genuine. 4. Faked http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715534949602.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271554111419.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2715533647158.JPG These are NOT LTZ1000 at all. The original IC must be some cheap op-amp and later re-marked plus legs extended. I once bought 30 of those and have they refunded afterwards. Lymex Zhang
CP
Charles P. Steinmetz
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:33 AM

Lymex Zhang wrote:

  1.  Used
    

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271643256989.JPG

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27163828901.JPG

Original marking and short legged as dismantled from used board, cheap and
pre-aged, these are the best.

I've heard horror stories (some on this list) about how components
are removed from boards -- putting the boards in a wood fire or
holding the board up to a gas burner, then whacking the board on
something so the parts fly off.  If the reports are true (and I have
no way of knowing, but the photos in the links above certainly do not
give the impression that the parts were removed carefully with proper
desoldering equipment), I'm not sure I'd trust the used parts to be
in pristine condition any more.

Best regards,

Charles

Lymex Zhang wrote: >2. Used > >http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/271643256989.JPG > >http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/27163828901.JPG > >Original marking and short legged as dismantled from used board, cheap and >pre-aged, these are the best. I've heard horror stories (some on this list) about how components are removed from boards -- putting the boards in a wood fire or holding the board up to a gas burner, then whacking the board on something so the parts fly off. If the reports are true (and I have no way of knowing, but the photos in the links above certainly do not give the impression that the parts were removed carefully with proper desoldering equipment), I'm not sure I'd trust the used parts to be in pristine condition any more. Best regards, Charles
L
LMZ
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:55 AM

Dear Charles,
I believe those horror stories are true. However, metal ICs removed that way
looks bad and can only be used for re-marking purposes. When buying used
LTZ1k, I always ask seller for real photo first. Here is an example:
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2717502310868.JPG
Lymex Zhang

I've heard horror stories (some on this list) about how components are

removed from boards -- putting the boards in a wood fire or holding the
board up to a gas burner, then whacking the board on something so the parts
fly off.  If the reports are true (and I have no way of knowing, but the
photos in the links above certainly do not give the impression that the
parts were removed carefully with proper desoldering equipment), I'm not
sure I'd trust the used parts to be in pristine condition any more.

Best regards,
Charles

Dear Charles, I believe those horror stories are true. However, metal ICs removed that way looks bad and can only be used for re-marking purposes. When buying used LTZ1k, I always ask seller for real photo first. Here is an example: http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/20118/2717502310868.JPG Lymex Zhang >I've heard horror stories (some on this list) about how components are removed from boards -- putting the boards in a wood fire or holding the board up to a gas burner, then whacking the board on something so the parts fly off. If the reports are true (and I have no way of knowing, but the photos in the links above certainly do not give the impression that the parts were removed carefully with proper desoldering equipment), I'm not sure I'd trust the used parts to be in pristine condition any more. >Best regards, >Charles
RK
Rob Klein
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:47 AM

Op 27-8-2011 10:14, LMZ schreef:

Hi everyone,

I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user.

Well, if you are, as I expect, the Lymex of
http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog/ (among others),
then your reputation definitely precedes you on this list and I for one
would like to extend a warm welcome
to you.

Best regards,
Rob Klein.

Op 27-8-2011 10:14, LMZ schreef: > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user. Well, if you are, as I expect, *the* Lymex of http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog/ (among others), then your reputation definitely precedes you on this list and I for one would like to extend a warm welcome to you. Best regards, Rob Klein.
DC
David C. Partridge
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:49 PM

Rob, Is there an English version of that blog?

D.
----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Klein
Sent: 27 August 2011 12:47
To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] LTZ1000ACH and LTZ1000CH in China

Op 27-8-2011 10:14, LMZ schreef:

Hi everyone,

I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user.

Well, if you are, as I expect, the Lymex of http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog/ (among others), then your reputation definitely precedes you on this list and I for one would like to extend a warm welcome to you.

Rob, Is there an English version of that blog? D. ----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Klein Sent: 27 August 2011 12:47 To: Discussion of precise voltage measurement Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] LTZ1000ACH and LTZ1000CH in China Op 27-8-2011 10:14, LMZ schreef: > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm new here but I'm an old LTZ1000 user. Well, if you are, as I expect, *the* Lymex of http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog/ (among others), then your reputation definitely precedes you on this list and I for one would like to extend a warm welcome to you.
RK
Rob Klein
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:23 PM

Op 27-8-2011 14:49, David C. Partridge schreef:

Rob, Is there an English version of that blog?

D.

Op 27-8-2011 14:49, David C. Partridge schreef: > Rob, Is there an English version of that blog? > > D. Not that I know of, but it translates reasonably well. http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog <http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.eefocus.com/lymexbg2vo/blog> Rob.
BS
Bob Smither
Sun, Aug 28, 2011 3:48 AM

Dear All,

Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow
volt-nut has experience with the 3468A.

I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A.  When powered
on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements
of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication.

I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit
never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the
cycle repeats - I have not really found anything.

The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM.  The 3 volt lithium cell
reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone.

Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the
processor to reset?

If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the
continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM
contents?

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,

Bob Smither, Ph.D.                                smither@c-c-i.com


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  1. Your check is in the mail.
  2. I'll respect you in the morning.
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Dear All, Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow volt-nut has experience with the 3468A. I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A. When powered on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication. I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the cycle repeats - I have not really found anything. The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM. The 3 volt lithium cell reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone. Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the processor to reset? If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM contents? Thanks for any pointers! Best regards, -- Bob Smither, Ph.D. smither@c-c-i.com ==================================================================== The Three Great Lies: 1. Your check is in the mail. 2. I'll respect you in the morning. 3. We're from the government and we are here to help you. ====================================================================
NG
Neil Gruending
Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:34 AM

Bad power supply?

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Bob Smither smither@c-c-i.com wrote:

Dear All,

Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow
volt-nut has experience with the 3468A.

I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A.  When powered on
it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements of the
lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication.

I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit never
stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the cycle repeats

  • I have not really found anything.

The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM.  The 3 volt lithium cell
reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone.

Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the
processor to reset?

If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the continuous
run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM contents?

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,

Bob Smither, Ph.D.                                 smither@c-c-i.com


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Bad power supply? On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Bob Smither <smither@c-c-i.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow > volt-nut has experience with the 3468A. > > I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A.  When powered on > it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements of the > lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication. > > I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit never > stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the cycle repeats > - I have not really found anything. > > The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM.  The 3 volt lithium cell > reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone. > > Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the > processor to reset? > > If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the continuous > run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM contents? > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Best regards, > -- > Bob Smither, Ph.D.                                 smither@c-c-i.com > ==================================================================== > The Three Great Lies: > 1.  Your check is in the mail. > 2.  I'll respect you in the morning. > 3.  We're from the government and we are here to help you. > ==================================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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gbusg
Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:02 AM

Neil's suggestion (to check the power supplies) is a good one.

Make sure the +5V, -15V and +15V rails are correct - and use an oscilloscope
to check for excessive ripple.

You didn't mention if you have the rechargable battery option (opt. 001),
but if so, that adds to the number of possible problems.

I definitely would replace the 3 volt lithium cell (BT551) ASAP.

Also make sure that the front panel "Reset" button isn't stuck in the
pushed-in position.

If you're lucky, doing all the above will lead to a cure. If not, then it
sounds like some other fault is still causing the "RESET" line (at U501) to
keep cycling. It doesn't sound like you're getting through the turn-on
self-tests far enough to see possible further error codes (e.g., Calibration
RAM error, or RAM error, or ROM error, or A/D converter error).

Let us know how you come-out on it.

Cheers!
Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Smither" smither@c-c-i.com
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: [volt-nuts] HP3468A

Dear All,

Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow
volt-nut has experience with the 3468A.

I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A.  When powered
on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements
of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication.

I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit
never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the
cycle repeats - I have not really found anything.

The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM.  The 3 volt lithium cell
reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone.

Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the
processor to reset?

If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the
continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM
contents?

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,

Bob Smither, Ph.D.                                smither@c-c-i.com


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  1. Your check is in the mail.
  2. I'll respect you in the morning.
  3. We're from the government and we are here to help you.

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Neil's suggestion (to check the power supplies) is a good one. Make sure the +5V, -15V and +15V rails are correct - and use an oscilloscope to check for excessive ripple. You didn't mention if you have the rechargable battery option (opt. 001), but if so, that adds to the number of possible problems. I definitely would replace the 3 volt lithium cell (BT551) ASAP. Also make sure that the front panel "Reset" button isn't stuck in the pushed-in position. If you're lucky, doing all the above will lead to a cure. If not, then it sounds like some other fault is still causing the "RESET" line (at U501) to keep cycling. It doesn't sound like you're getting through the turn-on self-tests far enough to see possible further error codes (e.g., Calibration RAM error, or RAM error, or ROM error, or A/D converter error). Let us know how you come-out on it. Cheers! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Smither" <smither@c-c-i.com> To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:48 PM Subject: [volt-nuts] HP3468A Dear All, Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow volt-nut has experience with the 3468A. I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A. When powered on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most elements of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication. I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the cycle repeats - I have not really found anything. The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM. The 3 volt lithium cell reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone. Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the processor to reset? If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM contents? Thanks for any pointers! Best regards, -- Bob Smither, Ph.D. smither@c-c-i.com ==================================================================== The Three Great Lies: 1. Your check is in the mail. 2. I'll respect you in the morning. 3. We're from the government and we are here to help you. ==================================================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
A
Artekmedia
Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:49 AM

Earlier posters suggestions to replace the RAM battery and to check the
power supplies for proper voltage and ripple is ALWAYS the 1st place to
start with this old gear (even if it is working!)

There is a group on yahoo dedicated to fixing and maintaining older HP gear

hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com

Lots of retired HP engineers  quite possibly the guys who designed the
3486A even hang out there

Dave
NR1DX

On 8/27/2011 10:48 PM, Bob Smither wrote:

Dear All,

Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow
volt-nut has experience with the 3468A.

I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A.  When
powered on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most
elements of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication.

I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit
never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the
cycle repeats - I have not really found anything.

The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM.  The 3 volt lithium
cell reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone.

Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the
processor to reset?

If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the
continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM
contents?

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,


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Dave&  Lynn Henderson
Manuals@ArtekMedia.com
www.Artekmedia.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089

Earlier posters suggestions to replace the RAM battery and to check the power supplies for proper voltage and ripple is ALWAYS the 1st place to start with this old gear (even if it is working!) There is a group on yahoo dedicated to fixing and maintaining older HP gear hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com Lots of retired HP engineers quite possibly the guys who designed the 3486A even hang out there Dave NR1DX On 8/27/2011 10:48 PM, Bob Smither wrote: > Dear All, > > Not sure where else to ask this question - I am hoping that a fellow > volt-nut has experience with the 3468A. > > I have an EBay special, known bad when I got it, HP3468A. When > powered on it simply cycles through what looks like a test (all / most > elements of the lcd display turn on) and an Overload indication. > > I have followed the repair manual as far as I can, but since the unit > never stabilizes - the processor is continually interrupted and the > cycle repeats - I have not really found anything. > > The 3468A uses a 3 volt battery backed up RAM. The 3 volt lithium > cell reads ~ 1.5 volts so clearly the RAM contents are gone. > > Could there be something in the RAM that when not present forces the > processor to reset? > > If it is possible that the missing RAM information is causing the > continuous run / rest cycle, any idea how I could I restore the RAM > contents? > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Best regards, > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. -- Dave& Lynn Henderson Manuals@ArtekMedia.com www.Artekmedia.com PO Box 175 Welch,MN 55089