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My wife and I are going to begin our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I would like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. Comments will be appreciated.
Bob
You will be cruising through multiple states, all with different gun laws.
You will not be allowed to bring a gun into Canada.
For some reason the first question we get from anyone not looping is "do
you have a gun?" And that's from people who would not themselves choose to
own a gun. Our answer is always the same, "we have never felt the need to
carry a gun aboard."
Ron Matuska
Adagio, NT34-318
Dunedin, FL
Comments will be appreciated...." Snip:"...My wife and I are going to begin
our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I would
like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. ..."You can not carry
a handgun into Canada...period! A declared "sporting gun" e.g. regular
shotgun or rifle when game in season or to a clay or rifle match yes but
there are hoops to jump through...but absolutely no handguns.
Joe
M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com
nMark well what Joe says and make arrangements with Canada ahead of time.
You probably should be "afraid of bears and may be snakes." Always
volunteer that you have a shotgun before they ask. In this country, any
organization authorized to board will ask about firearms first. They often
go to its location and unload it while keeping you and your crew away and
together. The more nervous they are, the more uncomfortable you are. Never
fib, especially to federal officers.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Pica joseph.pica@gmail.com wrote:
Comments will be appreciated...." Snip:"...My wife and I are going to begin
our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I
would
like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. ..."You can not carry
a handgun into Canada...period! A declared "sporting gun" e.g. regular
shotgun or rifle when game in season or to a clay or rifle match yes but
there are hoops to jump through...but absolutely no handguns.
Joe
M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com
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Living in bear country, I can tell you you don't need a gun and if you shoot
bear out of season and without a proper hunting license, you are in deep doo
do. We routinely chase bears off our property, some times by just saying
"GIT!"To my limited knowledge, the only snakes I would fear would be if I
were swimming in southern waters. Of course, if one crawled up on my boat, I
could blasting it off with a 12 gauge. Oh, I might have to patch the boat so
it would not sink then.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
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From: Ron Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:51 PM
To: Joseph Pica
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nMark well what Joe says and make arrangements with Canada ahead of time.
You probably should be "afraid of bears and may be snakes." Always
volunteer that you have a shotgun before they ask. In this country, any
organization authorized to board will ask about firearms first. They often
go to its location and unload it while keeping you and your crew away and
together. The more nervous they are, the more uncomfortable you are. Never
fib, especially to federal officers.
You will get lots of opinions about yes or no.
Beware that NO handguns are allowed in Canada
or I imagine, Canadian waters.
Handguns are also a huge no-no in New York and
Chicago, maybe all of Illinois.
I don't know what you can do to get around that!
I know that there are websites to research the
laws of various states regarding handguns, but
I don't have any URLs really handy. Just google
"handgun laws" or "state handgun laws."
In any event, your first step is likely to be
to get a handgun carry permit from your home
state. Most states that have a permit system
have reciprocal agreements with other states
that have similar systems.
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
- Grand Lake & OKC - OK *
** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** -
- (no current boat) * *
** USAF & FAA, Retired **
** Amateur Radio K2GKK **
- (no current boat) * *
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- Since 30 Nov 1953 * *
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From: rocheconst@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:18:51 -0400
Subject: GL: Opinions on safety
My wife and I are going to begin our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I would like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. Comments will be appreciated.
Bob
We've lived in Canada all our lives - from the western Rockies to Nova
Scotia and have not run into a wild bear anywhere and certainly not a
vicious snake - leave your guns in the USA - take a flare gun if you are
nervous..
Ben and Barb vanderRoest
Top Knot 39
Nova Scitia
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:51 PM
To: Joseph Pica
Cc: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: Opinions on safety
nMark well what Joe says and make arrangements with Canada ahead of time.
You probably should be "afraid of bears and may be snakes." Always
volunteer that you have a shotgun before they ask. In this country, any
organization authorized to board will ask about firearms first. They often
go to its location and unload it while keeping you and your crew away and
together. The more nervous they are, the more uncomfortable you are. Never
fib, especially to federal officers.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Pica joseph.pica@gmail.com wrote:
Comments will be appreciated...." Snip:"...My wife and I are going to
begin
our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I
would
like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. ..."You can not
carry
a handgun into Canada...period! A declared "sporting gun" e.g. regular
shotgun or rifle when game in season or to a clay or rifle match yes but
there are hoops to jump through...but absolutely no handguns.
Joe
M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com
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I wasn't being serious. I was suggesting a reason to offer. There are
Rattlers in the Canadian woods, although they are very polite, and you can
screw up with a mama bear. Of course, you know these bears and Minnesota
bears are pacifists from Norway and Sweden anyway.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM, davidsorenson
davidsorenson625@gmail.comwrote:
Living in bear country, I can tell you you don't need a gun and if you
shoot bear out of season and without a proper hunting license, you are in
deep doo do. We routinely chase bears off our property, some times by just
saying "GIT!"To my limited knowledge, the only snakes I would fear would be
if I were swimming in southern waters. Of course, if one crawled up on my
boat, I could blasting it off with a 12 gauge. Oh, I might have to patch
the boat so it would not sink then.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:51 PM
To: Joseph Pica
Cc: great-loop@lists.trawlering.**com great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: Opinions on safety
nMark well what Joe says and make arrangements with Canada ahead of time.
You probably should be "afraid of bears and may be snakes." Always
volunteer that you have a shotgun before they ask. In this country, any
organization authorized to board will ask about firearms first. They often
go to its location and unload it while keeping you and your crew away and
together. The more nervous they are, the more uncomfortable you are. Never
fib, especially to federal officers.
Ron and List,
Being a bit serious, my family owned a cottage at Fry Point on Moon Island, near San Souci, Ontario (22 miles down the South channel from Parry Sound), We had lots of brown bears visit our cottage, many Rattle snakes and I also killed one Cottonmouth snake on the island.
John
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Ron Rogers wrote:
I wasn't being serious. I was suggesting a reason to offer. There are
Rattlers in the Canadian woods, although they are very polite, and you can
screw up with a mama bear. Of course, you know these bears and Minnesota
bears are pacifists from Norway and Sweden anyway.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM, davidsorenson
davidsorenson625@gmail.comwrote:
Living in bear country, I can tell you you don't need a gun and if you
shoot bear out of season and without a proper hunting license, you are in
deep doo do. We routinely chase bears off our property, some times by just
saying "GIT!"To my limited knowledge, the only snakes I would fear would be
if I were swimming in southern waters. Of course, if one crawled up on my
boat, I could blasting it off with a 12 gauge. Oh, I might have to patch
the boat so it would not sink then.
David Sorenson
Duluth, MN
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:51 PM
To: Joseph Pica
Cc: great-loop@lists.trawlering.**com great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: Opinions on safety
nMark well what Joe says and make arrangements with Canada ahead of time.
You probably should be "afraid of bears and may be snakes." Always
volunteer that you have a shotgun before they ask. In this country, any
organization authorized to board will ask about firearms first. They often
go to its location and unload it while keeping you and your crew away and
together. The more nervous they are, the more uncomfortable you are. Never
fib, especially to federal officers.
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I missed a lot of the thread but thought I'd contribute some things we did
on the loop.
First, have three very pistols onboard with plenty of flares. The bright
orange ones are easily seen and work best. Keep one at each helm station and
one in the master cabin. They are Coast Guard approved and act as the
required flare launchers. We carried three with thirty rounds of flares, 10
each.
Just be damned careful if you fire one inside as it will burn through the
boat bulkheads (walls) and fiberglass hull in no time. Make sure you only
pull the trigger when the gun is aimed away from your boat (just as you
would any firearm). They will blow through a body so be aware what's on the
other side when it comes out still burning. There are no "redo's" if you
screw this one up. Make sure the first mate can reload while you fire. Or
you can reload when shaking violently with a sore as hell wrist from firing.
The plastic ones we fired when I was in the Coast Guard lasted about 30
rounds before breaking after rapid fire exercise. They're probably better
today. There is probably some rule against firing them into the water as we
did (back in the day). But they sound like the 12 gauge shotgun round that
they are. Once they hit the water they will continue to burn until they
expend themselves. After just three to five firings, you'll be well
prepared. Many Coast Guard stations around the country that you'll pass can
make arrangements for you to get some experience. You can get them with a
.38 round cartridge insert. Don't.
Second. Get your standard issue rubber welcome mat and put the tacks in from
the bottom up. They cannot be seen or felt until you step on the mat. Put
one at each entrance when you close up for the night. Great way to greet
unexpected guests and give you plenty of early warning and DNA samples.
Third, the best deterrent to an approaching vessel is to whip out your smart
phone and start taking pictures and emailing them to a designated contact.
We took "pictures" of one boat that approached us on the river. Made a show
of sending the photos (oops didn't have a smart phone) when they got close
enough and off they went.
Fourth, we used a "capt'n hook" knife on the end of a short boat hook for
our in stateroom protection of our second to the last resort.
Fifth, keep your fire extinguisher within arm's length. If it's too late for
any of the other ideas, pull it under the covers with you and discharge
directly into the face. Then hit 'em with it.
Sixth, think through your offensive and defensive moves before you have to
make them. Do a couple rehearsals. Have your first mate play "Kato" (you
remember, Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther series). Do this from the most
probable options and most probable locations where you will find yourself
and mate.
Seventh, don't hit happy hour with unlimiteddddddd docktails. Suchch, that
you slurrrrr your wordths and have to be pourrrred into beddd in any
location where there might be uninvited guests coming callinggggg. You need
to have your wits about you.
Hope this adds to your list of things you can do with things you've got on
board or can get at the local hardware store that are all legal and some
even required (fire extinguishers, very pistols). LOL
Best,
Bob
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Comments will be appreciated...." Snip:"...My wife and I are going to begin
our first Great Loop trip on or about the 1st of April - this year. I would
like to carry a hand gun for our personal protection. ..."You can not carry
a handgun into Canada...period! A declared "sporting gun" e.g. regular
shotgun or rifle when game in season or to a clay or rifle match yes but
there are hoops to jump through...but absolutely no handguns.
Joe
M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com
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