Outside the box or am I barking mad?

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Flurohood
Sat, Sep 19, 2009 7:14 PM

Greetings list members,

I am considering a re power for a cat and as my plan is a bit different would
love to get some feedback from you people.

I am considering a 1996 Shark cat 8000 here in N.Z.
It is glass with a lockup cabin. These boats are 8m on deck and about one
meter for outboard pods. 9m overall.

Currently has two old 200hp two strokes and uses fuel like there is no
tomorrow.
Vessel is heavy (not sure how heavy) and has planning hulls.

My repower plan is some lower power high thrust engines Yam 60s or the new
Honda thrust 60.
Any cruise between 8 and 10 knots will keep me happy as I am coming off an old
launch that does about 7 and  I just cruise around wherever I go.
I think I need to produce my cruise speed between 3000 and 45000 rpm for
efficiency with these motors.

Two main question for you all and I hope someone out there knows these cats?

Am I barking mad? I understand these are not nice displacement hulls but
wonder what kind of speeds such a cat will reach before pushing that wave up
and building resistance (effectively hull speed) Will this number be higher
for a cat than for a mono planning hull of similar waterline?

Handling? As this boat has a fairly low tunnel will it handle ok at lower
speed or will it turn into a complete pig used as a slow cruiser?

I am attracted to the boat by the excellent fish and dive platform it presents
and space for weekends away.

Cheers. Garry.

Greetings list members, I am considering a re power for a cat and as my plan is a bit different would love to get some feedback from you people. I am considering a 1996 Shark cat 8000 here in N.Z. It is glass with a lockup cabin. These boats are 8m on deck and about one meter for outboard pods. 9m overall. Currently has two old 200hp two strokes and uses fuel like there is no tomorrow. Vessel is heavy (not sure how heavy) and has planning hulls. My repower plan is some lower power high thrust engines Yam 60s or the new Honda thrust 60. Any cruise between 8 and 10 knots will keep me happy as I am coming off an old launch that does about 7 and I just cruise around wherever I go. I think I need to produce my cruise speed between 3000 and 45000 rpm for efficiency with these motors. Two main question for you all and I hope someone out there knows these cats? Am I barking mad? I understand these are not nice displacement hulls but wonder what kind of speeds such a cat will reach before pushing that wave up and building resistance (effectively hull speed) Will this number be higher for a cat than for a mono planning hull of similar waterline? Handling? As this boat has a fairly low tunnel will it handle ok at lower speed or will it turn into a complete pig used as a slow cruiser? I am attracted to the boat by the excellent fish and dive platform it presents and space for weekends away. Cheers. Garry.
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Robert Deering
Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:08 PM

Garry,

Not familiar with this exact boat, but I know the style.

Yes, you should be able to reach a 8-10 kt cruise with those outboards.  A
planing cat hull will generally move in displacement mode better than a
planing monohull.

And yes, it will probably handle like a pig.  Waves will hit the tunnel
because it'll be riding low in the water.  It will likely be pushed around
by wind and waves as well.

Suggest you run it in displacement mode with the current engines in some
choppy conditions to see how it performs before you make that leap.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

Garry, Not familiar with this exact boat, but I know the style. Yes, you should be able to reach a 8-10 kt cruise with those outboards. A planing cat hull will generally move in displacement mode better than a planing monohull. And yes, it will probably handle like a pig. Waves will hit the tunnel because it'll be riding low in the water. It will likely be pushed around by wind and waves as well. Suggest you run it in displacement mode with the current engines in some choppy conditions to see how it performs before you make that leap. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska
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Flurohood
Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:24 PM

Thanks Bob,

I will do a long test on a bad day for sure.

Only difference will be 200kg less on the transom if I go forward and change
engines as I would like.

Can't get much further away from here than you are!

Cheers. Garry.

Thanks Bob, I will do a long test on a bad day for sure. Only difference will be 200kg less on the transom if I go forward and change engines as I would like. Can't get much further away from here than you are! Cheers. Garry.
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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:11 PM

Can't get much further away from here than you are!

Garry and others--

Because of the international nature of this forum, it's a good idea to
add your location when you sign your name to a posting.

Or go whole hog with a boat sig as per the sample below.

--Listmaster Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com

> Can't get much further away from here than you are! Garry and others-- Because of the international nature of this forum, it's a good idea to add your location when you sign your name to a posting. Or go whole hog with a boat sig as per the sample below. --Listmaster Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs TomCat 24 At Last! Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com
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Robert Deering
Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:51 PM

If you make the change Garry, let me know.  I'd like to come inspect.

NZ is on my list of places to visit.  I hear it's summer down there when
it's winter up here...but I need to see it for myself.

Bob

On 9/19/09 12:24 PM, "Flurohood" flyingbuss@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Thanks Bob,

I will do a long test on a bad day for sure.

Only difference will be 200kg less on the transom if I go forward and change
engines as I would like.

Can't get much further away from here than you are!

Cheers. Garry.


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If you make the change Garry, let me know. I'd like to come inspect. NZ is on my list of places to visit. I hear it's summer down there when it's winter up here...but I need to see it for myself. Bob On 9/19/09 12:24 PM, "Flurohood" <flyingbuss@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Thanks Bob, > > I will do a long test on a bad day for sure. > > Only difference will be 200kg less on the transom if I go forward and change > engines as I would like. > > Can't get much further away from here than you are! > > Cheers. Garry. > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Robert Deering
Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:44 AM

Georgs, Garry indicated in the body of his msg that he was in NZ.  Maybe we
should make a trip down there together to follow up on his progress.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

On 9/19/09 1:11 PM, "Georgs Kolesnikovs" gxk@earthlink.net wrote:

Can't get much further away from here than you are!

Garry and others--

Because of the international nature of this forum, it's a good idea to
add your location when you sign your name to a posting.

Or go whole hog with a boat sig as per the sample below.

--Listmaster Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com


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Georgs, Garry indicated in the body of his msg that he was in NZ. Maybe we should make a trip down there together to follow up on his progress. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska On 9/19/09 1:11 PM, "Georgs Kolesnikovs" <gxk@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Can't get much further away from here than you are! > > Garry and others-- > > Because of the international nature of this forum, it's a good idea to > add your location when you sign your name to a posting. > > Or go whole hog with a boat sig as per the sample below. > > --Listmaster Georgs > > Georgs Kolesnikovs > TomCat 24 At Last! > Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario > http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Flurohood
Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:42 AM

Yes Bob,
You guys come on down and advise me for sure!
Went for a dive yesterday and have some scallops, oysters, and a lobster on
hand for your visit.
Would love to come up your way and try some of your wonderfull Halibat and
Salmon in exchange..

I took a look your site Georgs when I checked out your Boat sig as
suggested.
Very nice indeed.
I prefer Sedan boats to flying bridge styles that prevail here.
Sedans are nice and clean to look at.
When game fishing on my current boat anyone wishing a flying bridge is
directed to my inflatable which is
lashed to the cabin roof and very comfy on nice days.

If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in N.Z.

Cheers. Garry Lees.
Mangonui
New Zealand

Yes Bob, You guys come on down and advise me for sure! Went for a dive yesterday and have some scallops, oysters, and a lobster on hand for your visit. Would love to come up your way and try some of your wonderfull Halibat and Salmon in exchange.. I took a look your site Georgs when I checked out your Boat sig as suggested. Very nice indeed. I prefer Sedan boats to flying bridge styles that prevail here. Sedans are nice and clean to look at. When game fishing on my current boat anyone wishing a flying bridge is directed to my inflatable which is lashed to the cabin roof and very comfy on nice days. If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in N.Z. Cheers. Garry Lees. Mangonui New Zealand
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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Sun, Sep 20, 2009 11:56 AM

If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in
N.Z.

There sure are!

I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from our
TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list.

http://arrowcatmarine.com/

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Puffin Saco 12 Finally!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com

> If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in > N.Z. There sure are! I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from our TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list. http://arrowcatmarine.com/ --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs TomCat 24 At Last! Puffin Saco 12 Finally! Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com
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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:53 PM

Don't recall exactly but probably was US$150,000 or more.

--Georgs

On 20-Sep-09, at 9:39 AM, gram rupert wrote:

Nice boat, the Arrowcat 30. No prices on the site, what kind of cash
are we looking at here?
Cheers,
rup

On 20 Sep 2009, at 12:56, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in
N.Z.

There sure are!

I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from
our
TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list.

http://arrowcatmarine.com/

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Puffin Saco 12 Finally!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com


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Don't recall exactly but probably was US$150,000 or more. --Georgs On 20-Sep-09, at 9:39 AM, gram rupert wrote: > Nice boat, the Arrowcat 30. No prices on the site, what kind of cash > are we looking at here? > Cheers, > rup > > On 20 Sep 2009, at 12:56, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > >>> If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in >>> N.Z. >> >> There sure are! >> >> I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from >> our >> TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list. >> >> http://arrowcatmarine.com/ >> >> --Georgs >> >> Georgs Kolesnikovs >> TomCat 24 At Last! >> Puffin Saco 12 Finally! >> Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario >> http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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gram rupert
Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:39 PM

Nice boat, the Arrowcat 30. No prices on the site, what kind of cash
are we looking at here?
Cheers,
rup

On 20 Sep 2009, at 12:56, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in
N.Z.

There sure are!

I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from our
TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list.

http://arrowcatmarine.com/

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Puffin Saco 12 Finally!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com


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Nice boat, the Arrowcat 30. No prices on the site, what kind of cash are we looking at here? Cheers, rup On 20 Sep 2009, at 12:56, Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: >> If I had a larger budget there are some very nice cats to be had in >> N.Z. > > There sure are! > > I'm a small-boat boy at heart, but if we ever want to move up from our > TomCat 24 (27 feet LOA), the Arrowcat 30 would top the short list. > > http://arrowcatmarine.com/ > > --Georgs > > Georgs Kolesnikovs > TomCat 24 At Last! > Puffin Saco 12 Finally! > Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario > http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List